<div dir="auto">Yes, A-P can vary the tracking rate in both RA and DEC. this kind of thing only really makes sense for high-end mounts, and even for A-P I think only makes sense for their encoder mounts. you’d also need good control of your periodic error. I actually started a project to implement this in ekos a year or two ago, but gave it up. Perhaps I’ll get back to it someday. I thought dealing with some of this might ease the load on guiding. It would be a feature that only applied to mounts where you can control the guiding rates on both axes, b<span style="font-family:-apple-system,helveticaneue;background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(0,0,0);color:rgb(0,0,0)">ut as I said, I gave it up.</span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:-apple-system,helveticaneue;background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(0,0,0);color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:-apple-system,helveticaneue;background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(0,0,0);color:rgb(0,0,0)">BTW, I do believe the underlying software may use TPoint.</span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:-apple-system,helveticaneue;background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(0,0,0);color:rgb(0,0,0)">Hy</span></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 8:29 PM Jasem Mutlaq <<a href="mailto:mutlaqja@ikarustech.com">mutlaqja@ikarustech.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Thank you for sharing the details Hy! I actually thought that folks used it for accurate slewing, much like TPoint and thought Why? Platesolving is already much easier than to model the whole sky. I didn't know that its primary purpose today is accurate tracking without guiding.</div><div><br></div><div>We have a similar solution in INDI with INDI Alignment Subsystem, but this is purely used for GOTOs and not adjusting RA/DE tracking on the sky. I don't even recall if the AP command sets include such a command to adjust tracking rate, and most mounts do not support this. It can be done with SkyWatcher and Celestron mounts nevertheless. </div><div><br></div><div>However, it seems to be a niche requirement given that guiding is working well for most people. Definitely adding support to this at the INDI layer would be beneficial but it requires a lot of time and effort.</div><div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>--</div><div>Best Regards,<br>Jasem Mutlaq<br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 6:44 PM Hy Murveit <<a href="mailto:murveit@gmail.com" target="_blank">murveit@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="ltr">Let me be a little more specific. SPCC does sky modeling, that is, it (along with a companion program) captures images of the sky every degree or two in a square grid, plate solves all those images, and computes a function comparing where the mount thinks it is vs where it actually is. This allows it to vary the tracking rates in RA and DEC, so that things like refraction, and tube bending, and polar alignment error etc can be compensated for, and folks can image for many minutes without guiding (at least on scopes with optical absolute encoders that remove all periodic error). This process takes, I believe, about an hour or so (though you can shortcut it by just modeling the DEC arc you plan to image tonight). People with permanent installations do it and forget about it. People who move their scopes to dark sites every time they use them need to do this modeling every night--though you can start before it is astronomically dark.<div><br></div><div>So, my A-P 1100 mount without absolute encoders and without SPCC is similar to yours (John) in that it has basically the same capabilities, except perhaps better materials/workmanship so it tracks a little better and handles more weighty loads. Add in SPCC and it can do the same or better without guiding.</div><div><br></div><div>So, Wolfgang, sky modeling is needed for those folks who like to image without guiding. The A-P clientele are definitely in that category--at least the ones that buy SPCC. Sky modeling for big telescopes was used for more accurate slewing, but now for amateur imaging telescopes is used for guiding-free imaging. </div><div><br></div><div>However, guiding works--at least to some level--well enough for many people to think the modeling is not needed. I suppose it's nice not to have to guide etc.</div><div><br></div><div>Hy</div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div><br></div></blockquote></div>
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