<div dir="ltr">So I continued investigating this, and here are a couple of observations.<div><br></div><div>1. If I set location to Greenwich, then all heliocentric ecliptic coordinates become valid! So there is a time component to this (Julian days?) that offsets the values.</div><div>2. Even if heliocentric ecliptic coordinates are correct, the geocentric ecliptic coordinates are wrong. Why? Because Earth ecliptic longitude and latitude are inaccurate.</div><div><br></div><div>EDIT: As I am writing this, I found line 107 of KSNumbers with a note on this. We seem to be using a constant for ecliptic longitude of Earth perihelion. It's set as 102.94719</div><div><br></div><div>I used JPL Horizons system to calculate current value for Sep. 4th, 2017 and it is 104.8089842092676</div><div><br></div><div>Earth orbital elements MUST be updated periodically then. The Earth ecliptic coordinate reported by Horizons is:</div><div><br></div><div>Long: 341.4178043 </div><div>Lat: 0.0004911</div><div><br></div><div>While in KStars, it is:</div><div><br></div><div>Long: 341.6696035955447</div><div>Lat: -5.294750917241062e-5</div><div><br></div><div>Once I manually correct Earth's ecliptic coordinates, the asteroid location is pretty accurate. More investigation is required.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Jasem</div><div><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 5:43 PM, Jasem Mutlaq <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mutlaqja@ikarustech.com" target="_blank">mutlaqja@ikarustech.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi Robert,<div><br></div><div>Oh!! I am working on this bug now. I'm not getting anywhere with it so far. I use JPL Horizons system to check the orbital parameters: <a href="https://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/horizons.cgi" target="_blank">https://ssd.jpl.<wbr>nasa.gov/horizons.cgi</a></div><div><br></div><div>I am calculating all orbital elements and comparing it with JPL values starting from Mean Anamoly, then True Anamoly..etc. Here are JPL values from Horizon:</div><div><br></div><div>JPL Heliocentric Orbital Elements</div><div><pre style="color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(238,238,238)">$$SOE
2457998.500000000 = A.D. 2017-Sep-02 00:00:00.0000 TDB
EC= 4.232744439134506E-01 QR= 1.020269859137170E+00 IN= 2.215206298911301E+01
OM= 3.360953610775869E+02 W = 2.784196493952410E+01 Tp= 2458020.936332046986
N = 4.188758125005247E-01 MA= 3.506019631843183E+02 TA= 3.348867725600903E+02
A = 1.769073432535834E+00 AD= 2.517877005934499E+00 PR= 8.594432747284709E+02
2457999.500000000 = A.D. 2017-Sep-03 00:00:00.0000 TDB
EC= 4.232901835419896E-01 QR= 1.020263438440515E+00 IN= 2.215145437416221E+01
OM= 3.360952684752951E+02 W = 2.784456004960867E+01 Tp= 2458020.938336936291
N = 4.188626190102440E-01 MA= 3.510202820436723E+02 TA= 3.359645930024024E+02
A = 1.769110580961994E+00 AD= 2.517957723483473E+00 PR= 8.594703457918157E+02
$$EOE</pre><div>JPL Heliocentric Ephemeris<pre style="color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(238,238,238)">******************************<wbr>******************************<wbr>******************************<wbr>******************************<wbr>******************************<wbr>****
Date__(UT)__HR:MN R.A.__(a-apparent)__DEC hEcl-Lon hEcl-Lat r rdot delta deldot ObsEcLon ObsEcLat Tru_Anom
******************************<wbr>******************************<wbr>******************************<wbr>******************************<wbr>******************************<wbr>****
$$SOE
2017-Sep-02 00:00 22 56 46.97 +08 13 17.0 338.6177 1.0264 1.049795367593 -4.4410821 1.04979536759279 -4.4410821 338.6176978 1.0264441 334.8811
2017-Sep-03 00:00 23 00 48.31 +08 38 34.4 339.6187 1.4332 1.047281909825 -4.2622642 1.04728190982466 -4.2622642 339.6187413 1.4332183 335.9589
$$EOE</pre></div><div>JPL Vector Data (Rectangular Heliocentric Coordinates):</div><div><br></div><div><pre style="color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(238,238,238)">$$SOE
2457998.500000000 = A.D. 2017-Sep-02 00:00:00.0000 TDB
X = 9.774013251109912E-01 Y =-3.825877896251375E-01 Z = 1.884479352236287E-02
VX= 4.155441472803211E-03 VY= 1.801646315290931E-02 VZ= 7.391156829632851E-03
LT= 6.063034210721955E-03 RG= 1.049781831306806E+00 RR=-2.564399485651484E-03
2457999.500000000 = A.D. 2017-Sep-03 00:00:00.0000 TDB
X = 9.814311564582442E-01 Y =-3.645229326093622E-01 Z = 2.623313001987751E-02
VX= 3.903753134260795E-03 VY= 1.811258715727221E-02 VZ= 7.385185521988751E-03
LT= 6.048521037259282E-03 RG= 1.047268953218673E+00 RR=-2.461117456681675E-03
$$EOE</pre><pre style="color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(238,238,238)"><br></pre></div>They precess all values while we don't precess anything in asteroid class. In comets we precess OM, so I added that back into asteroid class to precess OM (Longitude of the Ascending Node). Here is KStars values for Sep 2nd 00:00:00:</div><div><br></div><div>EC = 0.4233003617604261</div><div>W = 27.84698664318219</div><div>MA = 350.5485275538136</div><div>E = 343.7697842874328 (Not shown in JPL above, the Eccentric Anamoly)</div><div>TA = -25.252507942167078 = 334.747492057832922</div><div>IN = 22.1507826948212</div><div>A = 1.769132449016887</div><div>OM = 336.095126120893 (After I precessed it, it's not in code yet)</div><div>r = 1.0510131460163505</div><div><br></div><div>You can see we have some differences in the true anamoly and by extension sun distance. There are small differences in other elements, but these two stand out leading to inaccurate heliocentric ecliptic coordinates and eventually to wrong geccentric J2000/JNow coords. At first glance it appears that the eccentric anamoly value might be inaccurate, but we use the same iterative algorithm we already use in the comets class. Comets can also be inaccurate but not as bad as this case.</div><div><br></div><div>I think it might be a good idea to add another backend for this, we could be utilizing JPL Development Ephemeris (e.g. 406+) for solar system calculations. Another option is to switch to MPC for data source, but I'm not sure what difference will this make.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Jasem</div><span class="gmail-"><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 3:45 PM, robert <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:robert@navsoft.plus.com" target="_blank">robert@navsoft.plus.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Great - I'm starting with <a href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384276" style="color:rgb(102,51,102);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,Geneva;font-size:16.6667px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:bold;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" target="_blank"><b>Bug 384276</b></a><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,Geneva;font-size:16.6667px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:bold;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(208,208,208);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span> </span></span><span id="gmail-m_7010604918309576631m_1828286541412418006summary_container" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,Geneva;font-size:16.6667px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:bold;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">-<span> </span><span id="gmail-m_7010604918309576631m_1828286541412418006short_desc_nonedit_display">[kstars 2.8.2] Wrong placement
of asteroid Florence</span></span></p><span class="gmail-m_7010604918309576631HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
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<div class="gmail-m_7010604918309576631m_1828286541412418006moz-cite-prefix">On 02/09/17 13:05, Jasem Mutlaq wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Robert,
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<div>You can start by submitting patches to me, and then later
on we'll create you an account on the system to handle it
directly. So yeah clone KStars, then when you have a fix, run
git diff and send me a patch.</div>
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<div>Thanks for the help!!</div>
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<div>Regards,</div>
<div>Jasem</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 2:38 PM, robert
<span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:robert@navsoft.plus.com" target="_blank">robert@navsoft.plus.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<p>Hi Jasem,<br>
</p>
<p>I've had a look. Reminds me of when I worked for a
living; but very happy to help.<br>
</p>
<p>1. I guess I need, at least, permission to assign
myself the bugs that I am working on.</p>
<p>2. Is the source at <span style="color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:monospace;font-size:13.3333px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:justify;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">"git
clone git://<a href="http://anongit.kde.org/kstars" target="_blank">anongit.kde.org/kstars</a>"</span>?</p>
<p>3. How should I submit proposed mods? Published KDE
procedures?<span class="gmail-m_7010604918309576631m_1828286541412418006HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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<span class="gmail-m_7010604918309576631m_1828286541412418006HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
<p>Robert<br>
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</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>Best Regards,<br>Jasem Mutlaq<br></div><div><br></div></div></div>
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