<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">El mié., 1 may. 2019 a las 0:14, Andreas Schleth (<<a href="mailto:schleth_es@web.de" target="_blank">schleth_es@web.de</a>>) escribió:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="m_1653036504605499847gmail-m_-8717013255751184611moz-cite-prefix">Hi Angel,</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Hi Andreas,</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
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<div class="m_1653036504605499847gmail-m_-8717013255751184611moz-cite-prefix">tagging and cataloging can be made into
a science (e.g. <a class="m_1653036504605499847gmail-m_-8717013255751184611moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://dublincore.org/" target="_blank">http://dublincore.org/</a>). But this is overkill for
private pictures. Everyone has her or his own preferences and
these preferences may change over time. If you want to become a
professional photographer, you might dig quite a bit deeper and
start learning about digital asset management and the best tags to
choose for marketable stock photos. But this is not for me.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Thank you, I work in science and that is probably because I try to be systematic with this, but I forget that my photo collection is and disordered and no systematic. I will use your advise of using simple categories for the more important things.<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div class="m_1653036504605499847gmail-m_-8717013255751184611moz-cite-prefix">
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<div class="m_1653036504605499847gmail-m_-8717013255751184611moz-cite-prefix">I use 3 primary categories:</div>
<div class="m_1653036504605499847gmail-m_-8717013255751184611moz-cite-prefix">* People</div>
<div class="m_1653036504605499847gmail-m_-8717013255751184611moz-cite-prefix">* Places</div>
<div class="m_1653036504605499847gmail-m_-8717013255751184611moz-cite-prefix">* Keywords</div>
<div class="m_1653036504605499847gmail-m_-8717013255751184611moz-cite-prefix">These are the defaults in KPA. <br>
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<div class="m_1653036504605499847gmail-m_-8717013255751184611moz-cite-prefix">My most important one is "People". I
try to tag all people in my pictures. This is tremendously useful
for me: find a name and then boil down with the timeline an within
2 minutes you find the image of XY at event Z.<br>
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<div class="m_1653036504605499847gmail-m_-8717013255751184611moz-cite-prefix">Then "Places" - I have places like
"Rhine Valley" or "Italy" or "Milano" (being a sub tag for Italy).
Nothing too specific except for places where I or somebody
significant for me lives. There is also a place "no place" for
things that are not really locatable, like screenshots or the
occasional document scan.<br>
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<div class="m_1653036504605499847gmail-m_-8717013255751184611moz-cite-prefix">My "Keywords"-list is a jumble of
unrelated tags like: "night shot", "portrait", "panorama", "heaven
and clouds", "street photography", "some event name", "Christmas"
- some pretty generic, some more specific. These tags are only
marginally useful, as I do not follow a strict regime in most
cases. You could do that a lot better. But ... see above
"science"...<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>For me, keeping a tidy Keywords category could be possible only I tag all my collection in a couple of days, otherwise it will turn also into a jumble :))<br></div><div>From all three experiences you all teach me, I realize that People and places are the most important (and their contents are easy to write !! )<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div class="m_1653036504605499847gmail-m_-8717013255751184611moz-cite-prefix">
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<div class="m_1653036504605499847gmail-m_-8717013255751184611moz-cite-prefix">Then I have 2 additional categories:</div>
<div class="m_1653036504605499847gmail-m_-8717013255751184611moz-cite-prefix">* "quality and selection" <br>
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<div class="m_1653036504605499847gmail-m_-8717013255751184611moz-cite-prefix">- This is for tagging images as "OK"
"good" "very good" (this is older than the 1-5 stars) but also for
"selection 2014 for grandpa's calendar" or "rework needed",
"desktop background" or "bad", "delete this"... This list of tags
is fairly short and tends to grow very slowly.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Quality I will use (but the new 1-5 star method), your selection, in the other hand, seems really a good idea I think it's very informative. Will use it.<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div class="m_1653036504605499847gmail-m_-8717013255751184611moz-cite-prefix">
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<div class="m_1653036504605499847gmail-m_-8717013255751184611moz-cite-prefix">* "source"</div>
<div class="m_1653036504605499847gmail-m_-8717013255751184611moz-cite-prefix"> - What camera? or "who is it from"
(with a super tag: "other people") or which program was used to
generate the image (gimp, hugin, ...)</div>
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<div class="m_1653036504605499847gmail-m_-8717013255751184611moz-cite-prefix">That's it. My images go into a similar
folder structure as your's:</div>
<div class="m_1653036504605499847gmail-m_-8717013255751184611moz-cite-prefix">my_images / 2019 / 03_some_event_name
(I have only 5 to 10 folders within the same month)<br>
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<div class="m_1653036504605499847gmail-m_-8717013255751184611moz-cite-prefix">There seems to be some consensus, as I
have seen similar structures quite often at other people's
collections (and I have asked around too).<br>
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<div class="m_1653036504605499847gmail-m_-8717013255751184611moz-cite-prefix">I use tokens (A-Z) a lot for temporary
selections to speed up tagging: Skip through the slideshow and tag
all the good ones with "O", then select images with token "O" and
tag them in one go with "quality" = "OK", and discard the token
"O" right away.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Tokens are a really clever idea in kphotoalbum. Bravo Jesper !!!<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
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<div class="m_1653036504605499847gmail-m_-8717013255751184611moz-cite-prefix">In the beginning I started naming
images. Now I leave the label as is (=filename). Very rarely I add
some description - for the select few really important pictures.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I see. As me filenames are like "2019-02-15_001.cr2", or "2019-02-15_001-edited.jpg" I think I prefer having that homogeneous information in the thumbnail view for all images. Writing something in the description field seems a good idea.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
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<div class="m_1653036504605499847gmail-m_-8717013255751184611moz-cite-prefix">If you take pictures about a special
topic, you might add a new category just for this purpose. If you
are a sports photographer, you might need a category "Teams" and
so on...<br>
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<div class="m_1653036504605499847gmail-m_-8717013255751184611moz-cite-prefix">In the end, the whole business is not
about "right or wrong" but about finding your images quickly. Find
out, what is important to you, what you remember easily and stick
to that. Also, you can always add or edit the tags at some later
time - if or when necessary.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>As you say, "stick to that" ! Like deciding I write only "name" or "name and surname" for people (I know several people called David , hahaha)</div><div>Modify things is another great feature of KPA, as one is tagging images is possible to rename a category and every other picture tagged will stay correctly bonded to the new name.<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
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<div class="m_1653036504605499847gmail-m_-8717013255751184611moz-cite-prefix">For the record: I started using KPA 3
years later than you. Isn't it great to have a tool that is still
prospering after so many years!</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Of course it is !!! And having people like you (not only yoy, but Joe, Johannes, Robert, Tobias and many others) trying to help .</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you.<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
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<div class="m_1653036504605499847gmail-m_-8717013255751184611moz-cite-prefix">Cheers, Andreas</div>
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<div class="m_1653036504605499847gmail-m_-8717013255751184611moz-cite-prefix">PS: <br>
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<div class="m_1653036504605499847gmail-m_-8717013255751184611moz-cite-prefix">Setting a fixed zoom level that does
not change when switching images in viewer mode sounds like an
interesting idea ... then the visible frame should be static for
each of the images and probably the same for all images in the
range. Right now, I see that the focus lies more on
modernizing/stabilizing the code than on adding new features as
Johannes has mentioned a few times.<br>
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<div class="m_1653036504605499847gmail-m_-8717013255751184611moz-cite-prefix">However, I have a workaround for You:</div>
<div class="m_1653036504605499847gmail-m_-8717013255751184611moz-cite-prefix">* select the images you want to compare
and open all of them in Gimp (should not be more than a handful)<br>
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<div class="m_1653036504605499847gmail-m_-8717013255751184611moz-cite-prefix">* in Gimp go to the zoom level and spot
you want and switch with "alt-1" / "alt-2" ... between the images.</div>
<div class="m_1653036504605499847gmail-m_-8717013255751184611moz-cite-prefix">* the zoom stays the same and the frame
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<div class="m_1653036504605499847gmail-m_-8717013255751184611moz-cite-prefix">Second workaround: Darktable (I use it
for raw processing, but it can work with jpegs as well): in
darkroom mode the zoom level is kept constant between images. I
check my focus there and discard the bad ones right here before
developing them into my KPA folder structure as jpegs for keeping.
I even delete all the bad raw files after a while. There is enough
stuff on my disk anyway.<br>
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<div class="m_1653036504605499847gmail-m_-8717013255751184611moz-cite-prefix"><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>As I said to the others, I just discovered "geeqie" (<a href="http://www.geeqie.org">www.geeqie.org</a>) and think I does the work very well. Fast browsing even the 20MP raw files. and possibility to split the display showing two photographs while linking zoom and pan (via Shift key).</div><div>I all use Darktable for processing.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Angel.<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div class="m_1653036504605499847gmail-m_-8717013255751184611moz-cite-prefix">
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<div class="m_1653036504605499847gmail-m_-8717013255751184611moz-cite-prefix">Am 30.04.19 um 16:30 schrieb Angel
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<div>Hello,</div>
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<div>I've been using kphotoalbum since 2002, but not really
"properly". <br>
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<div>They I use is:</div>
<div>Copy photographs to computer, in direfferent folders:</div>
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<div>/Photographs/<br>
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/Photographs/2018/ <br>
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/Photographs/2018/2018-01-01_New Year</div>
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/Photographs/2018/2018-02-14_Ana Bithday</div>
<div> ...</div>
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/Photographs/2019 /</div>
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/Photographs/2019/2019-03-19_Trip to Rusia</div>
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<div>And kphotoalbum database is inside /Photographs.</div>
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<div>The first 4 years of use, I tagged pictures with People,
Places, Events... But nowadays What I were doing was to use
the Tokens for select pictures to keep which ones to delete,
which ones to send to a friend...</div>
<div>Even I do not know which would be the right old
database.xml file.<br>
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<div>Now I started to catalog all of them, But I would like to
now what categories and keywords do other people use. I now
this is not a problem with a single solution, but some tips
would be useful.</div>
<div>Yesterday, I tagged a some pictures with Keyword="river",
and several photographs later, I started to tag a set of
photographs of a trip to a river source, where some of them
do not have the river itself in the photograph. So, how to
deal with this?</div>
<div>How do you use label, and descriptions fields?</div>
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<div>I found this place:</div>
<div><a href="https://lightroom-keyword-list-project.blogspot.com/p/get-list.html" target="_blank">https://lightroom-keyword-list-project.blogspot.com/p/get-list.html</a></div>
<div>But I found that list really huge. <br>
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<div>As a side question, I could not find an option fix the
Zoom level while viewing images. Could be a nice feature to
compare to or three photographs in a series for the sharpest
of them. Is this possible?</div>
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<div>Thank you all.<br>
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