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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><i>Hi Alvaro</i><br>
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On 11/06/2013 12:20 PM, Alvaro Soliverez wrote:<br>
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That option is used for price of investments, so we only
display a price if there is an actual price for that day.<br>
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<div>For normal conversion of currencies, if it doesn't find a
price for that day, it will look for a previous price and
use that one. That option will just set the price to 0, and
any 0 value in the chart will not be painted.<br>
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If you think about it, it makes sense that budget reports with
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<i>Of course, it does not make sense for budget reports.</i><br>
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option for any report that's not an investment report.<br>
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<i>I could not agree more. After all, when reporting my observations
my point was definitely NOT to ask for an option to suppress
fields with zero values. I brought this up because I was presented
crazy figures and started wondering about the definition of
"price" and what I might have misunderstood.</i><br>
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<div>Regards,<br>
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<i>Thanks and regards,</i><i><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 6:23 AM, Michael
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<div>Hi Alvaro,<br>
I understand. It was only yesterday when pointing at
"Skip value if price is zero" that I saw the note
explaining that this option was for investment reports
..... instead of balances as all other reports do. I'd
never seen that note before.<br>
I nice option for investment reports but a bit
misleading for silly guys like me when offered for
configuring Budgeted vs. Actual reports.<br>
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Again, I very much appreciate your prompt help - great!<br>
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Cheers<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
Michael Berger</font></span>
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On 11/05/2013 01:29 PM, Alvaro Soliverez wrote:<br>
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<div>Hello Michael,<br>
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First of all, thanks for the detailed
explanation.<br>
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There should be no interaction between that
option and budget reports. As you guessed
correctly, it has to do with prices of
currencies and investments, and it's intended
for use only with invesment price reports.<br>
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<div>There's no similar option for budgets, at
least that I can remember.<br>
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I'll go into the code and fix, since I added the
option.<br>
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Thanks for your help.<br>
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Regards,<br>
Alvaro<br>
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<div>Hello Alvaro,<br>
thanks for your response.<br>
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I am owing and as well managing assets and
accounts of various types in the
currencies EURO (base), SFR, USD, IDR, all
in the same KMM-files.<br>
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Owners of these different accounts
(residing in Europe) would like to see,
inter alia, the following reports and
summaries:<br>
Income and Expenses, Cash-flow, Budgeting
(budgeted vs. actual yearly). <br>
In order to access ones property and do
some planning, an easy to grasp summary is
desirable and furthermore to have it
presented in the owner's respective base
currency, say in EURO.<br>
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Now, all this works fine as long as you
would not use the option "Skip value if
price is zero". But if you do the
resulting figures go beyond every
imagination.<br>
Im not quite satisfied when proposing not
to use this option because:<br>
Firstly, it simply is offered there and
thus inviting you to use it - whoever put
it there must have had something in mind.
Secondly, yearly reports "Budgeted vs.
Actual" can become very, very large and
may contain a number of
categories/accounts with values (prices?)
varying over time between zero and any
higher value. Navigating through the
report becomes hard and each position of
temporary irrelevance (because it happens
to be just empty at that time) would make
the spread sheet more lucid.<br>
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As I said, this is nothing of any
significant importance and I am not a bit
encouraging or asking to put any effort
into this. But then, this is not correct
in my opinion. Perhaps simply remove the
option "Skip value if price is zero" and
that's it? <br>
It also strikes me what is really meant
here by the term "price". Does this refer
to the prices of currencies as shown in
KMM's Price Editor (I would anticipate it
should). It goes without saying that in my
reports the "prices" are not empty but
left untouched all the time whereas other
accounts/categories etc. may show a zero
value in one month and not in the next
month.<br>
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Looking at the exchange rate between EURO
and IDR it is something like 1 :
0,00006512. My precision is set to eight
digits.<br>
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Thanks to you and all those involved in
creating and developing this very fine
program!<br>
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Cheer!<span><font color="#888888"><br>
Michael</font></span>
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On 11/04/2013 10:56 PM, Alvaro
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I haven't really tested, but I'm
wondering what you expect to get
from the "skip value if price is
zero" option. It's originally
meant for investment price
options, and I can't think of
valid cases for using it in
budget reports.<br>
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What do you think this option
should do?<br>
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Regards,<br>
Alvaro<br>
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4, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Michael Berger
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text="#000000"> Hi all!<br>
in May this year I reported
the following to the list but
got no response. Here it is
again:<br>
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<i>I am using various
currencies next to my base
currency which is the EURO.</i><i><br>
</i><i> When setting up a
budget all native currencies
are nicely converted to the
base currency and shown as
such.</i><i><br>
</i><i> In Report
Configuration the option
"Convert values to base
currency" is activated in
the tab "Report".</i><i><br>
</i><i> The other two options
are left not ticked.</i><i><br>
</i><i> The Budget Report
looks as it should, i. e.
all currencies are correctly
converted and shown.</i><i><br>
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</i><i> However, if "Skip
value if price is zero" is
also activated, native
currencies are NOT converted
and I turn from pensioner to
billionaire the very moment
I hit ENTER (1 IDR becomes 1
EURO whereas it should be
only something near to
0,00007... Euro)</i><i><br>
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</i><i> This is not what I
expected to see unless I
completely misinterpret the
meaning of "Skip value if
price is zero".</i><i><br>
</i><i> Then, what the heck is
meant by "price"?</i><i><br>
</i><i> Do we perhaps have a
bug here?</i><i><br>
</i><i> </i><i><br>
</i><i> Cheers everybody!</i><i><br>
</i><i> </i><i><br>
</i><i> Oh, I am using KMM
4.6.3 under KDE 4.10.2</i><br>
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Nothing really serious but
somehow irritating. Am I the
only one to have noticed this
behavior?<br>
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Cheers!<br>
Michael<br>
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