<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue-Light, Helvetica Neue Light, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div>Hi Boud,</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425160909148_5376"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425160909148_5378" dir="ltr">As regards all problems related to Windows, I have always read (and experienced myself) that Gimp 2.8 does not work well on this system either (GTK 2 bugs ? ). <br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425160909148_7873" dir="ltr">Therefore, it is not solely a Krita problem :-)<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425160909148_5856" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425160909148_6175" dir="ltr">Joking aside, IMHO, all boils down to the sample fact that the vast majority of computer users work on Windows (around 90%). The remaining part are supposed to be around 8% of Mac users and 1-2 % of Linux users.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425160909148_7874" dir="ltr">I have read with pleasure the message by Scott today where he confirmed this data for Krita as well :-)</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425160909148_11934" dir="ltr">Therefore, most bug-reports are always likely to be reported by Windows users.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425160909148_14099" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425160909148_13198" dir="ltr">IMHO, on Windows, due to your small team of developers, you should concentrate all efforts *only* on 64 bit systems (avoiding as hell all 32 bit systems).</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425160909148_13577" dir="ltr">Your "support" should be also concentrated only on Windows 7 and Windows 8 (8.1). You already dropped Windows Xp though.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425160909148_8620" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425160909148_10231" dir="ltr">Windows 8 has been a mid-disaster for Microsoft but Windows 10 looks very promising instead. <br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425160909148_12579" dir="ltr">This migth confirm the usual up and down "Microsoft path":</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425160909148_10048" dir="ltr">Windows 2000: disaster</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425160909148_10049" dir="ltr">Windows Xp: success;</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425160909148_10227" dir="ltr">Windows Vista: disaster,</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425160909148_10228" dir="ltr">Windows 7: success;</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425160909148_10229" dir="ltr">Windows 8: disaster</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425160909148_10230" dir="ltr">Windows 10: success (?)</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425160909148_9463" dir="ltr">Therefore, it is likely that in the future these data (90 % Windows users) are not going to change much either (and yes, I am aware of the upcoming Kde - Plasma 5 desktop release)...<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425160909148_6656" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425160909148_6819" dir="ltr">As regards G'MIC - Windows, unfortunately the most interesting filters only work on Linux now:</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425160909148_6933" dir="ltr">- Curve interactive;</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425160909148_6985" dir="ltr">- Colorize interactive;</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425160909148_7153" dir="ltr">- Extract interactive foreground;</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425160909148_7154" dir="ltr">- Inpaint (patch based).</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425160909148_7527" dir="ltr">etc etc</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425160909148_11333" dir="ltr">Hopefully, Lukas is going to take a look at this problem as soon as possible :-)</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425160909148_11517" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425160909148_11518" dir="ltr">My best regards !</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425160909148_11519" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1425160909148_11520" dir="ltr">Silvio<br></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style="display: block;" class="yahoo_quoted"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue-Light, Helvetica Neue Light, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> Il Sabato 28 Febbraio 2015 22:59, Boudewijn Rempt <boud@valdyas.org> ha scritto:<br> </font> </div> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container">Gals & Guys...<br><br>In the past week, we've seen a bunch of reports about Krita being slow on <br>Windows. I have no doubt that on the reporters' systems Krita _was_ slow. <br>And that's something I really want to investigate.<br><br>However: that doesn't mean that Krita on Windows is in general slower, <br>laggier, or worse than Krita on Linux. Krita on Windows is not <br>experimental. That's just not fair on all the effort I and Stuart and <br>others have put into Krita on Windows. Windows being secondary is <br>something we're accustomed to thinking and then to expressing -- oh, if <br>you want to have the best experience, use Krita on Linux. That's where it <br>comes form, that's where it belongs, that's where you need to go for the <br>best experience.<br><br>Honestly, that's _bunk_. Windows has got its limitations, but using my <br>Cintiq, I prefer using Krita on Windows above using it on Gnome. I cannot <br>use Krita on KDE, with the Cintiq. Better use Linux is misinformation <br>that we shouldn't spread around.<br><br>The problem is that Windows is not one, big, monolithic platform, it's a <br>hugely variable landscape, and every system is significantly different <br>from other systems, something which the users don't appreciate. Also, <br>there are so bloody many Windows systems that it dwarves everything we <br>know in the Linux world. A problem a half percent of a million <br>experiences is going to mean a heck of a lot of bug reports. (And I love <br>everyone who reports the issues!)<br><br>I've had this experience before, and with the 2.9 release, it's hitting us <br>in the face again: supporting Windows properly is _impossible_ for a small <br>team like we are. Not that I'm not going to try.<br><br>But it's still not _true_ that Krita on Windows is in all cases worse than <br>Krita on Linux, is certain to be slower, laggier, not as good, just use <br>Linux instead and so on. We need to get rid of that meme! Let's never give <br>that as an answer to a windows user with problems!<br><br>Where there are problems that I can identify, I want to fix them. I take <br>all reports really seriously. But for our collective sanity it's immensely <br>important to realize that there will always be reports of problems with <br>Krita on Windows, and they will _always_ be phrased as "all other apps run <br>fine, only Krita exhibits undesirable behaviour X, so Krita is totally <br>broken." That's just, like taxes, a fact of live... Just don't echo that <br>back at our Windows users with problems.<br><br>Boudewijn<br>_______________________________________________<br>Krita mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:kimageshop@kde.org" href="mailto:kimageshop@kde.org">kimageshop@kde.org</a><br><a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kimageshop" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kimageshop</a><br><br><br></div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> </div></body></html>