<div>>- You say you want to make a standalone application and then you say<br>> you want to make a plugin. We don't want the application's GUI inside<br>> KDevelop, that's not useful. If you don't want it integrated with the<br>
> IDE then don't, but don't try to say everything to see if something<br>> gets us interested.</div><div>Maybe a plug-in is a better solution, considering build and install, but it might not be necessary to put the whole application into KDevelop.</div>
<div>A standalone application might be a more general solution, not only for KDevelop.</div><div><br>> - Forget about getting in touch with the users. There will be no time<br>> for that. You can do that later if you're still interested in your<br>
> project after the summer is over. (note that you're deciding what to<br>> work on here, so please try to do something that you're interested in)</div><div>Ok.</div><div><br>> - Designing the parts of the UI and reading the code should happen<br>
> mostly before the code part starts (here you didn't specify, maybe you<br>> should take a look into google's schedule). Furthermore, you should<br>> have specified in the proposal what this piece of code is going to do.<br>
> That's not what the UI design is about, but from the functionality to<br>> the actual design there won't be that much changes. We need to make<br>> sure that you know what you're doing.</div><div>Is there any place where I can get more information about that?</div>
<div><br>> - Do you really expect to generate rpm and debian spec files automatically?</div><div>I think it should be possible to generate rpm and debian spec files for standard projects,</div><div>considering that most applications only consist only of a binary, a desktop file, some data and maybe a documentation.</div>
<div>The build shouldn't be a problem, but the install part might a bit more tricky. There are to ways to install the application:</div><div>via a make file generated by a build tool like automake, cmake, qmake, ... or directly copying files with the spec file. </div>
<div>For smaller projects maybe the second method is easier. However, it should be possible to edit the configure, build and install commands </div><div>manually.</div><div><br></div><div>Alexander</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">
2012/3/21 Aleix Pol <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:aleixpol@kde.org">aleixpol@kde.org</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Alexander Rössler<br>
<div><div class="h5"><<a href="mailto:mail.aroessler@gmail.com">mail.aroessler@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Here I'm starting with my proposal:<br>
><br>
> Please read it and help me improving it.<br>
><br>
> Introduction<br>
><br>
> I noticed that deploying applications to Linux is not that easy, especially<br>
> when considering that there are a lot of different Linux distributions out<br>
> there. OpenSUSE (or exactly Novell) found a solution for that, the Open<br>
> Build Service. The Build Service brings a lot of comfort for developers and<br>
> packagers, however to deploy an app with the Build Service, you need at<br>
> least do know the basics about RPM and Deb and a lot of time. For Developers<br>
> using Linux as main development platform this is of course not a big<br>
> problem, but especially when a project is developed for different platforms,<br>
> developers might be frightened about deploying applications to Linux,<br>
> especially smaller projects. The aim of the project Bretzn was to connect<br>
> various services on the internet for building and deploying applications. In<br>
> the end of 2010 the beta of a plug-in for the IDE Qt Creator was released.<br>
> The plug-in looked very interesting, but a final version was never released.<br>
> So my suggestion is, bringing project Bretzn back to live and to create an<br>
> application for deploying software on Linux.<br>
><br>
> The goals of the project:<br>
><br>
> making deployment of applications on Linux easy<br>
><br>
> saving lots of time for releasing applications and updates on<br>
> openDesktop.org<br>
><br>
> providing a plug-in for Kdevelop<br>
><br>
> Implementation:<br>
><br>
> The project should start where the development of the Qt Creator plug-in was<br>
> stopped. The plug-in used the lib Attica, which provides an easy to use<br>
> framework for using the Open Collaboration Services. Instead of developing<br>
> this project purely as Kdevelop plug in, I would prefer developing a<br>
> standalone application and providing a plug-in that makes use of this<br>
> application. The application should automatically generate .spec files for<br>
> RPM distributions and the necessary files for Deb distributions. Data like<br>
> the application description or the changelog could be input with an easy to<br>
> use GUI.<br>
><br>
> Timeline:<br>
><br>
> Analyzing the code of the previous project and getting information from the<br>
> developers<br>
><br>
> Designing first parts of the GUI<br>
><br>
> Implementing the specfile and debian.rules generator<br>
><br>
> Implementing the project-file management and tarball creator<br>
><br>
> Implementing the parts of the application that use the OCS API<br>
><br>
> Finishing the GUI<br>
><br>
> Creating the Kdevelop plug-in<br>
><br>
> Getting in touch with the users<br>
><br>
> Testing<br>
><br>
> Optimizing and bug fixing<br>
><br>
> Especially because a lot of the tasks that should be done are well<br>
> documented, all this should be done within one to two months, providing<br>
> enough time if problems, or things that where not thought of, occur.<br>
><br>
> About me:<br>
><br>
> I am studying electronic engineering at the University of Applied Sciences<br>
> Technikum Vienna. I have a lot of experience developing Qt applications,<br>
> because I am a open source developer since a long time. (one of my newest<br>
> projects is PhyxCalc:<br>
> <a href="http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/PhyxCalc?content=149161" target="_blank">http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/PhyxCalc?content=149161</a>) I am also one<br>
> of the OpenSUSE ambassadors for Austria, making me especially suitable for<br>
> this job as developer of the Build Service plug-in.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Regards<br>
> Alexander<br>
><br>
> 2012/3/17 Aleix Pol <<a href="mailto:aleixpol@kde.org">aleixpol@kde.org</a>><br>
>><br>
>> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:27 PM, Alexander Rössler<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:mail.aroessler@gmail.com">mail.aroessler@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > Hello kdeveleop-developers,<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I'm an electronic engineering student form Austria and I like to apply<br>
>> > for<br>
>> > kdevelop on GSoC. I am using kdevelop as my preferred development<br>
>> > environment for C and so I would like to help you improving kdevelop at<br>
>> > GSoc. I have a lot of experience with Qt/C++, KDE and Linux and I am<br>
>> > also<br>
>> > OpenSUSE ambassador for Austria. As you can see, I'm not new to the open<br>
>> > source community. If you like to see my current Qt project<br>
>> > visit: <a href="http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/PhyxCalc?content=149161" target="_blank">http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/PhyxCalc?content=149161</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> > I like your GSoC ideas for kdevelop, but I have following to add: When I<br>
>> > developed PhyxCalc I came to one point, where I had to deploy my<br>
>> > application<br>
>> > for several Linux desktops. As I am a OpenSUSE user, I knew the Open<br>
>> > Build<br>
>> > Service very well. So I deployed my application via the build service,<br>
>> > however, it was quite a pain to get everything working. New developers,<br>
>> > especially developers coming from Windows, might be deterred of the<br>
>> > deployment of applications on Linux (without the build service it is<br>
>> > even<br>
>> > more a pain). So I found this on the<br>
>> > internet: <a href="http://qt-project.org/forums/viewthread/2890" target="_blank">http://qt-project.org/forums/viewthread/2890</a> This plugin is<br>
>> > not<br>
>> > developed any more (and wasn't finished anyway), but I think it would be<br>
>> > nice if kdevelop would have such a plugin. Especially for small projects<br>
>> > this would be perfect, it would make deploying applications for Linux<br>
>> > easy<br>
>> > (and even improve the success of the open source community).<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Regards<br>
>> > Alexander Rössler (aka Strahlex)<br>
>> ><br>
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>><br>
>> Hi Alexander!<br>
>> Yes it's a good idea and something that can be useful, but it also has<br>
>> to be properly thought through before making a proposal out of it.<br>
>><br>
>> I'll be looking forward to your proposal.<br>
>><br>
>> Aleix<br>
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</div></div>Hi Alexander,<br>
All in all, it's a good proposal, although it still lacks some work.<br>
<br>
- First of all, it's KDevelop, writing a project's name properly is a<br>
good start.<br>
- You say you want to make a standalone application and then you say<br>
you want to make a plugin. We don't want the application's GUI inside<br>
KDevelop, that's not useful. If you don't want it integrated with the<br>
IDE then don't, but don't try to say everything to see if something<br>
gets us interested.<br>
- Forget about getting in touch with the users. There will be no time<br>
for that. You can do that later if you're still interested in your<br>
project after the summer is over. (note that you're deciding what to<br>
work on here, so please try to do something that you're interested in)<br>
- Designing the parts of the UI and reading the code should happen<br>
mostly before the code part starts (here you didn't specify, maybe you<br>
should take a look into google's schedule). Furthermore, you should<br>
have specified in the proposal what this piece of code is going to do.<br>
That's not what the UI design is about, but from the functionality to<br>
the actual design there won't be that much changes. We need to make<br>
sure that you know what you're doing.<br>
- Do you really expect to generate rpm and debian spec files automatically?<br>
<br>
I hope this helps you find a better way to explain yourself.<br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
Aleix<br>
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