<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 2:14 PM, David Nolden <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:zwabel@googlemail.com">zwabel@googlemail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
2010/5/2 Aleix Pol <<a href="mailto:aleixpol@kde.org">aleixpol@kde.org</a>>:<br>
<div class="im">> Easily creating floating entities is not an issue, I can create a floating<br>
> widget in a QGV in 1 minute to, with plasma also and probably with QPainter<br>
> too. The thing is that we need some platform that:<br>
> * is configurable<br>
</div>This is no + point for plasma, as its kind configurability doesn't<br>
suit our purposes, I wouldn't want to see any of the plasma<br>
configuration UIs in KDevelop. We don't need custom themes, we don't<br>
need rotatable/resizable per-pixel movable applets, etc. etc., so you<br>
will have to rewrite the configuration mechanisms anyway.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The plasma we would be integrating would have a two-column layout, as you can see in the plasma netbook interface. We don't need custom themes but the user might want to give it a look similar to the project branding so here changeability is a plus (here probably plasma is too much, agree).</div>
<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class="im"><br>
> * is layouted<br>
> * lets our plugins to put as many things we want<br>
> * Makes it easy to create new items<br>
> * Makes it easy for these items to be flexible<br>
> * Makes it easy to modify and put new data flexibly<br>
><br>
> One good thing I really like about plasma is that it lets us add items that<br>
> doesn't come from a plugin.<br>
><br>
> For example:<br>
> we can have the user to add rss and he adds the rss plasmoid for the project<br>
> and we will get that for free and without adding a kdevelop rss plugin which<br>
> would be weird and the same with anything else. Yes, I know we don't want<br>
> clocks on the dashboard but I like that we can also put stuff that doesn't<br>
> depend on kdevelop but just to show. Webview applet is a good example too.<br>
<br>
</div>But if you want to do anything special to the plasma RSS applet, you<br>
first have to create a painful stable C++ interface between KDevelop<br>
and the applet, and then you end up maintaining it. It may be easy to<br>
get going, but then it becomes complicated, and in future we will<br>
suffer from all the typical problems you have when you integrate a<br>
library that is internally permanently changing (see kate right now).<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>In that case we will have to assume that we won't want to interact with the non-kdevelop plasmoids from KDevelop. Or more precisely, only who creates the Plasma::Applet* and the instance itself will define what's in it.</div>
<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<br>
There should be tons of web RSS applets available that one can put<br>
into a web-page, so why not simply take such one and put it into our<br>
dashboard? I think since the dashboard is a kind of "information<br>
center" for information that comes mainly from the web, web-technology<br>
is the right technology to solve the problem.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> (according to the plasma+kdepim guy these plasmoids will be moved to kdelibs<br>
> in the near future)<br>
><br>
> Note: if I'm taking all that time discussing about that is because I<br>
> wouldn't really like to decide to do our-thing (tm) and end up by finding<br>
> all the problems when it's done. It's not like I have any special interest<br>
> on using Plasma but I want to have something that fits our needs now and in<br>
> the future for most users.<br>
<br>
</div>There is one more option that seems even preferrable: Why not use<br>
simple Qt widgets? Then any plugin could provide a widget together<br>
with some information, and all the configurability you need is the<br>
place where you stick the widget into a QLayout. Each widget could<br>
then decide whether it wants to use a QWebView for the contents (for<br>
example for RSS), or whether it paints its contents natively.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I've though about that, and I think it's a good approach in fact. It's the same as the QGV case though but using QGraphicsLayout or QLayout, both in problems and advantages.</div>
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Greetings, David<br>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><div>So do you guys all agree that we prefer to create smth custom instead of using plasma?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>