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<body><p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">Hi Martin,</p>
<p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">Am Mittwoch, 20. Mai 2020, 17:27:24 CEST schrieb Martin Steigerwald:</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> I think Sink has potential. But at the moment it does not even come </p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> close to feature parity with Akonadi. Does it need all its features? </p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> Very likely not. However… as I am still using POP3 and also if I switch </p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> to IMAP would prefer to move older mails to local storage instead of </p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> having years of mail history sit on my server, it currently is no option </p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> for me.</p>
<p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">Have you ever considered running a local (home) Imap server from which you feed your local clients</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">(Desktop, Phones, Tablets) ?</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">I think that is the best option for those who don't like to have their mails on a remote Server.</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">Years ago, I investigated on that and wrote a summary on how to do this:</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;"><a href="https://hoernerfranzracing.de/werner/kde-linux-web/spam">https://hoernerfranzracing.de/werner/kde-linux-web/spam</a> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">- I know this is a bit outdated nowadays (who does still know what swendeleter is ?) but still true and functional for the most parts.</p>
<p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> That said, while I defended Akonadi quite heavily in the past, meanwhile </p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> I think it may be good to replace it. Why?</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> This issue and other issues with Akonadi are there for a long time </p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> *despite* the enormous efforts of developers to fix it up. I remember the </p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> action plan of Dan to fix it, I have seen the huge efforts of Dan and </p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> other developers to make it speedier and more reliable. However… while </p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> there were definitely improvements, it still has huge reliability and </p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> performance issues, even when I clean out old mails via archivemail. I </p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> am aware that his last intended step to "Make Indexing Great Again" is </p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> still to be completed¹. And Dan if you are reading this: This is in no </p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> way a criticism about your activities. I know you did the best you could </p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> and that it is a lot of work and I am very grateful for what you have </p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> done so far.</p>
<p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">I can second that - everyone should appreciate the years of work that have gone into akonadi*,</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">nowadays mainly done by Dan Vratil.</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">And as it is such a giant project, it is no wonder that not all issues can be solved by (mostly) a single developer.</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">But I also think, akonadi is too complicated by design, and I doubt it would have been made like it is once again</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">with the experience of the last years...</p>
<p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> Added to that a user of a mail application shall never ever need to care </p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> about database administration. Granted MySQL worked very, very well for </p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> a Zimbra server, but there the admin took care of it. And luckily I did </p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> not even need to, except for backup. It was just running nicely with </p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> abysmal performance settings. But it appears to me that Zimbra used the </p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> database in such an efficient way that it did not even matter, cause it </p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> was performing just fine with folders of almost 500000 – yes, you read </p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> that right – mails in them. But of course the web client tricked on </p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> them: They just showed the first 1000 or so and loaded more as I scrolled </p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> down. Fine with me however.</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> That all written, probably time for me to test out Kube myself. I bet it </p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> is blazingly fast.</p>
<p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">Just do it - I can recommend giving it a try ...</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">Werner</p>
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