<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body>Probably these two reports:<div><ol><li>https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=363683</li><li>https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=363568</li></ol>Both by the same reporter, Larry Engel, both probably covering the same issue, but I may have mixed them up, not totally sure.</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards, </div><div>Harald</div><div><br></div><br><br>-------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --------<br>Von: Evert Vorster <evorster@gmail.com> <br>Datum: 18.06.2016 22:07 (GMT+01:00) <br>An: farid abdelnour <snd.noise@gmail.com> <br>Cc: kdenlive <kdenlive@kde.org> <br>Betreff: Re: [kdenlive] kdenlive Digest, Vol 20, Issue 13 <br><br><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Ah, at least we are discussing kdenlive, which is a good thing. <br><br></div>No one here is trying to wreck kdenlive, as we are all users of this fine software. <br><br></div><div>I believe that everyone has the right to speak, and Larry is obviously unhappy about something. <br><br></div><div>Honestly, I would not know what chroma key is, and even less on how to use it. But, if someone can point me to the bug report on this issue I can investigate and see if maybe we can flesh out the ticket, and do most of the hard legwork for JB. I might even learn something in the process. <br><br></div><div>Sounds fair, everyone?<br><br></div><div>Oh, and I do think some sort of a bounty program would be awesome. I use free software for the freedom aspect of it, not because I can't afford to pay for it. :P<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 18 June 2016 at 20:44, farid abdelnour <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:snd.noise@gmail.com" target="_blank">snd.noise@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi Larry,<div><br></div><div>Two things:</div><div><br></div><div>1- This isn't a place for politics, even though using free software could be a political stance, here we discuss everything related to kdenlive it is not censorship but focus on the topic. Plus there are better places for this issues.</div><div><br></div><div>2- The tone you write your emails with are as is someone owes you something. If you don't like how something has changed try to come up with a solution and not just complain. If you want something urgently then offer a bounty and maybe someone will pick it up. </div><div><br></div><div>Have a good weekend.</div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_quote">2016-06-18 15:22 GMT-03:00 Larry Engel <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:larryengel@justice.com" target="_blank">larryengel@justice.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">In Kdenlive the Chroma Key worked well. There are even <a href="http://youtube.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">youtube.com</a> videos showing how to use it.<br>
With all do respect Mr Massimo Stella the tone of my comment is based on the fact that in earlier versions Chroma Key was doing a good job.<br>
Someone made an error causing a major problem when that should have left well enough alone, if they did not want to spend the time to test changes.<br>
All video editors today are subject to sabotage for political reasons. It is a way to censor the internet. When something goes beyond a mere bug and causes major problems, hopefully it was a mistake. The Chroma Key was working and easy to use, just put it back the way it was in earlier versions. So why did this happen? Will the party explain the change? What is the idea? Why do they not believe that wrecking Chroma Key is serious stuff? I have experienced a couple of slam bugs, if that is the problem with Kdenkive folks - heres how to handle it. Don't get upset! Save your work frequently. when it crashes reboot and go on with the project. It is no big deal. Killing Chroma Key is major!<br>
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Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 16:01:36 +0000<br>
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From: Narcis Garcia <<a href="mailto:informatica@actiu.net" target="_blank">informatica@actiu.net</a>><br>
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How does work Kdenlive's versioning and stabilization?<br>
<br>
Are there some kind of "major", "LTS" or "stable" versions that are<br>
feature-frozen and focused about updates for bug fixing?<br>
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Thanks.<br>
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Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 17:01:25 +0100<br>
From: Evert Vorster <<a href="mailto:evorster@gmail.com" target="_blank">evorster@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: Massimo Stella <<a href="mailto:maxstar@tin.it" target="_blank">maxstar@tin.it</a>><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:larryengel@justice.com" target="_blank">larryengel@justice.com</a>, Kdenlive <<a href="mailto:kdenlive@kde.org" target="_blank">kdenlive@kde.org</a>><br>
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Hi there, just to clear up some confusion on some points...<br>
<br>
Some applications have a default scheme, and also a setting for following<br>
the system scheme. This makes just about everyone happy.<br>
Kdenlive is by default to follow the system, scheme, and that is not a bad<br>
default at all.<br>
<br>
Not a single complaint from me there.<br>
<br>
That Kdenlive is buggy is a statement of fact. That this buggyness detracts<br>
from the user experience is a fact. I can point you to a rather long list<br>
of open bugs on kdenlive.<br>
I can also point you to a much longer list of closed out bugs, which<br>
attests to the Herculean efforts that JB is putting in. Still no complaints<br>
from my side.<br>
<br>
If I could code, I would contribute, but I can't, and I am doing the next<br>
best thing and reporting bugs that I find, as I find them. Hopefully no one<br>
is confusing this with complaining.<br>
<br>
In my opinion, Kdenlive is doing about as well as a single main developer<br>
can do with maintenance in his spare time.<br>
We either need more developers donating spare time, or hire a developer<br>
either part time or full time... for which we need money.<br>
<br>
Any ideas on how much money is needed or how it can be made are quite<br>
welcome, of course.<br>
<br>
One way would be to pay for preferential treatment for bug fixes or feature<br>
additions. I would gladly pay $50 to be able to switch projects between fps<br>
without corruption, for instance.<br>
<br>
Kind regards,<br>
Evert<br>
<br>
On 18 June 2016 at 15:35, Massimo Stella <<a href="mailto:maxstar@tin.it" target="_blank">maxstar@tin.it</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> I never commented before emails about topics not directly linked to the<br>
> improvement of Kdenlive. But now I'm really bored in reading texts which<br>
> contains, though in a respectful form, insults, outlets for frustration and<br>
> useless polemics.<br>
> My opinion is that we have to help developers in creating an application<br>
> which can interest professionals and I believe that we'll be able to do it<br>
> by inserting in Kdenlive the majority of the tools professionals need<br>
> before we create the windows version. When the Windows version will be<br>
> ready (as Windows on desktop is still adopted by 75% of the users) people<br>
> will be able to decide if to continue to use proprietary software or FLOSS<br>
> for professional video editing purpose.<br>
> When I read sentence like "Thereby, making Kdenkive a amateur second class<br>
> editor. It is more than a bug" related to chromakey feature, or "I<br>
> respectfully disagree on same look everywhere." and then "Kdenlive today is<br>
> that it is so buggy that you can't do any serious work on it" I think that<br>
> people before to write has to know better what are real video editor<br>
> applications on the market, how they are used by real professionals and<br>
> take respect for the hard job people, like Jean-Baptiste, are doing.<br>
> About chromakey and effects filters I already wrote that in real world<br>
> producers use video editor applications for editing and compositing<br>
> software for comppositing. So generally in a professional studio or in<br>
> television nobody use AVID for chromkeying purpose. Of course it's better<br>
> to have a fully functionally chromakey feature working inside Kdenlive (for<br>
> fast and rough keying jobs) but the lack of it doesn't make "make Kdenkive<br>
> a amateur second class editor. It is more than a bug". Feature lacks for<br>
> real editors are others. For a good chromakey you can use Blender<br>
> compositor and Natron, just for eg., which were created also for this<br>
> purpose. You create effects in a compositing application and then you edit<br>
> them inside your video with a video editor applications, this is what<br>
> happens in real productions.<br>
> Then someone complains about bugs but it also complains about the GUI. He<br>
> wants less bugs but also a configurable theme fo making his computer looks<br>
> all the same.<br>
> Actually in proprietary software world each application has it's own theme<br>
> and you can just maybe change the color if you are lucky. Also some<br>
> application on the FLOSS world work this way too. If to create a fixed<br>
> theme and set of icons help to fix bugs in the Kdenlive GUI we have to<br>
> choose the way which easier solve the problem instead of ask for something<br>
> which consume time in developping other more important features.<br>
> I believe we have to test and know what others very costly applications,<br>
> developped by groups of dozens of people, do and try to sugguest how to<br>
> improve Kdenlive for becoming the best video editor application ever,<br>
> instead of complain and use these tones.<br>
><br>
> My suggestion is to follows these steps:<br>
> 1. Complete the application with all the tools for editing (not for<br>
> compositing) professionals need.<br>
> 2. Fix all the bugs (even during the first step)<br>
> 3. Propose the software to the Windows community and simplify the way to<br>
> install it on MacOS (and with this move we'll enter in direct competition<br>
> with Adobe, Avid and other software houses)<br>
> 4. Improve the software by adding filters and compositing feature we still<br>
> miss.<br>
><br>
> So, please, stop to complain and collaborate!<br>
><br>
> ----Messaggio originale----<br>
> Da: <a href="mailto:larryengel@justice.com" target="_blank">larryengel@justice.com</a><br>
> Data: 18-giu-2016 14.52<br>
> A: <<a href="mailto:kdenlive@kde.org" target="_blank">kdenlive@kde.org</a>><br>
> Ogg: Re: [kdenlive] kdenlive Digest, Vol 20, Issue 11<br>
><br>
><br>
> No video editor can be consider serious if Chrome Key does not work with<br>
> blue or green as is the case with Ubuntu 15.04.1<br>
><br>
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> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 12:00:15 +0000<br>
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> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 04:24:45 +0100<br>
> From: Evert Vorster <<a href="mailto:evorster@gmail.com" target="_blank">evorster@gmail.com</a>><br>
> To: Jesse DuBord <<a href="mailto:jesse.dubord@gmail.com" target="_blank">jesse.dubord@gmail.com</a>><br>
> Cc: Kdenlive <<a href="mailto:kdenlive@kde.org" target="_blank">kdenlive@kde.org</a>><br>
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> I respectfully disagree on same look everywhere.<br>
><br>
><br>
> I use the breeze dark theme on my desktop, and expect ALL my applications<br>
> to have that theme applied.<br>
><br>
> Someone else might prefer a different theme for their desktop, and expect<br>
> that theme to be everywhere.<br>
><br>
> Like it or not, desktops have themes, and there are as many variations as<br>
> there are people using them.<br>
><br>
> Even something as simple as layout... what I prefer is completely different<br>
> from what you prefer. The beauty of kdenlive today it that it is<br>
> _configurable_, so that you can get the look and layout that you want, and<br>
> I can get the look and layout that _I_ want, and everybody is happy.<br>
><br>
> The biggest detractor of Kdenlive today is that it is so buggy that you<br>
> can't do any serious work on it. Of course I use the git version, so the<br>
> set up bugs keep changing, and I do bug reports as quickly as I can ferret<br>
> them out, but the list of bugs seem to be growing. At some point we have to<br>
> stop adding features for a bit and squash bugs, which will improve the user<br>
> experience much, much more than a nice set of icons.<br>
><br>
> Regards,<br>
> Evert Vorster<br>
><br>
> On 17 June 2016 at 23:28, Jesse DuBord <<a href="mailto:jesse.dubord@gmail.com" target="_blank">jesse.dubord@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> > I completely agree with Farid about the universal interface. Preferably,<br>
> > it would be great to see it all the same across distros right out of the<br>
> > box, without the user needing to go into styles and themes to choose what<br>
> > they think it should look like. For GNOME-based desktops, it's almost 90%<br>
> > identical to Kdenlive in KDE Plasma -- the only exception I'm seeing are<br>
> > the dialog boxes when opening a project or adding clips/media (see this<br>
> > bug: <<a href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=360882" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=360882</a>><br>
> > <a href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=360882" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=360882</a>). However this can be set<br>
> up,<br>
> > I think it would be a huge step towards a more solid, positive<br>
> recognition<br>
> > with the Kdenlive appearance; users will know it by its look and color,<br>
> you<br>
> > know?<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On 06/17/2016 05:00 AM, <a href="mailto:kdenlive-request@kde.org" target="_blank">kdenlive-request@kde.org</a> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
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> > Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 17:52:20 -0300<br>
> > From: farid abdelnour <<a href="mailto:snd.noise@gmail.com" target="_blank">snd.noise@gmail.com</a>> <<a href="mailto:snd.noise@gmail.com" target="_blank">snd.noise@gmail.com</a>><br>
> > To: kdenlive <<a href="mailto:kdenlive@kde.org" target="_blank">kdenlive@kde.org</a>> <<a href="mailto:kdenlive@kde.org" target="_blank">kdenlive@kde.org</a>><br>
> > Subject: Re: [kdenlive] Catching discussions from Kdenlive café #7<br>
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> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>
> ><br>
> > Hi Vincent,<br>
> ><br>
> > - packaging: I had already updated stable PPA to 16.04.1. For me the<br>
> logics<br>
> ><br>
> > behind PPAs is still relevant: master for dev version, testing for bugfix<br>
> > as soon as they get out (16.04 branch for the moment), and stable for<br>
> > releases (downloads not more than every month)<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > How relevant are PPA's now that Snap is launched?<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > - Movit: just seen on forum that the lib is sensitive to localization:<br>
> <a href="https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=269&t=132764&p=358335#p358314" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=269&t=132764&p=358335#p358314</a> worth<br>
> > a try!?<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > I see that in Shotcut Movit causes a lot of bugs, I think we should wait<br>
> > until it gets stable or add a warning to users.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > - icons: that's really surprising that no script can do the job yet! What<br>
> > is montel doing? ;)<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Icons are messy still and this should be fixed for 16.08. We need to<br>
> offer<br>
> > a similar interface experience across all platforms and between different<br>
> > distros. A packaging guideline should be established.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > - site: I have no time for this; maybe I should handle the installation<br>
> > part? (want to look at Flatpak!)<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Yes,please join in :)<br>
> ><br>
> > What are your views? Snap, Flatpak or both?<br>
> ><br>
> > - wanted to add: Farid is asking for EDL for years... and Shotcut has<br>
> just<br>
> ><br>
> > integrated this feature! Maybe not so far for Kdenlive?<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > That would be a dream come true. I see Natron people have noticed this.<br>
> Do<br>
> > you know which EDL stardard they use?<br>
> ><br>
> > Cheers<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > --<br>
> > J e s s e D u B o r d<br>
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