I never commented before emails about topics not directly linked to the
improvement of Kdenlive. But now I'm really bored in reading texts which
contains, though in a respectful form, insults, outlets for frustration
and useless polemics.<br>My opinion is that we have to help developers
in creating an application which can interest professionals and I
believe that we'll be able to do it by inserting in Kdenlive the
majority of the tools professionals need before we create the windows
version. When the Windows version will be ready (as Windows on desktop
is still adopted by 75% of the users) people will be able to decide if
to continue to use proprietary software or FLOSS for professional video
editing purpose.<br>When I read sentence like "Thereby, making Kdenkive a
amateur second class editor. It is more than a bug" related to
chromakey feature, or "I respectfully disagree on same look everywhere."
and then "Kdenlive today is that it is so buggy that you can't do any
serious work on it" I think that people before to write has to know
better what are real video editor applications on the market, how they
are used by real professionals and take respect for the hard job people,
like Jean-Baptiste, are doing.<br>About chromakey and effects filters I
already wrote that in real world producers use video editor
applications for editing and compositing software for comppositing. So
generally in a professional studio or in television nobody use AVID for
chromkeying purpose. Of course it's better to have a fully functionally
chromakey feature working inside Kdenlive (for fast and rough keying
jobs) but the lack of it doesn't make "make Kdenkive a amateur second
class editor. It is more than a bug". Feature lacks for real editors are
others. For a good chromakey you can use Blender compositor and Natron,
just for eg., which were created also for this purpose. You create
effects in a compositing application and then you edit them inside your
video with a video editor applications, this is what happens in real
productions.<br>Then someone complains about bugs but it also complains
about the GUI. He wants less bugs but also a configurable theme fo
making his computer looks all the same.<br>Actually in proprietary
software world each application has it's own theme and you can just
maybe change the color if you are lucky. Also some application on the
FLOSS world work this way too. If to create a fixed theme and set of
icons help to fix bugs in the Kdenlive GUI we have to choose the way
which easier solve the problem instead of ask for something which
consume time in developping other more important features.<br>I believe
we have to test and know what others very costly applications,
developped by groups of dozens of people, do and try to sugguest how to
improve Kdenlive for becoming the best video editor application ever,
instead of complain and use these tones.<br><br>My suggestion is to follows these steps:<br>1. Complete the application with all the tools for editing (not for compositing) professionals need.<br>2. Fix all the bugs (even during the first step)<br>3.
Propose the software to the Windows community and simplify the way to
install it on MacOS (and with this move we'll enter in direct
competition with Adobe, Avid and other software houses)<br>4. Improve the software by adding filters and compositing feature we still miss.<br><br>So, please, stop to complain and collaborate! <br>
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----Messaggio originale----<br>Da: larryengel@justice.com<br>Data: 18-giu-2016 14.52<br>A: <kdenlive@kde.org><br>Ogg: Re: [kdenlive] kdenlive Digest, Vol 20, Issue 11<br><br>No video editor can be consider serious if Chrome Key does not work with blue or green as is the case with Ubuntu 15.04.1<br><br>--- kdenlive-request@kde.org wrote:<br><br>From: kdenlive-request@kde.org<br>To: kdenlive@kde.org<br>Subject: kdenlive Digest, Vol 20, Issue 11<br>Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 12:00:15 +0000<br><br>Send kdenlive mailing list submissions to<br> kdenlive@kde.org<br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdenlive<br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> kdenlive-request@kde.org<br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> kdenlive-owner@kde.org<br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of kdenlive digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Re: Catching discussions from Kdenlive café #7 (Evert Vorster)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 04:24:45 +0100<br>From: Evert Vorster <evorster@gmail.com><br>To: Jesse DuBord <jesse.dubord@gmail.com><br>Cc: Kdenlive <kdenlive@kde.org><br>Subject: Re: [kdenlive] Catching discussions from Kdenlive café #7<br>Message-ID:<br> <CAER78vT0+CmPVo81fma11_5+akDdjd+0Lhh+M5G-vkGaB7TUnw@mail.gmail.com><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>I respectfully disagree on same look everywhere.<br><br><br>I use the breeze dark theme on my desktop, and expect ALL my applications<br>to have that theme applied.<br><br>Someone else might prefer a different theme for their desktop, and expect<br>that theme to be everywhere.<br><br>Like it or not, desktops have themes, and there are as many variations as<br>there are people using them.<br><br>Even something as simple as layout... what I prefer is completely different<br>from what you prefer. The beauty of kdenlive today it that it is<br>_configurable_, so that you can get the look and layout that you want, and<br>I can get the look and layout that _I_ want, and everybody is happy.<br><br>The biggest detractor of Kdenlive today is that it is so buggy that you<br>can't do any serious work on it. Of course I use the git version, so the<br>set up bugs keep changing, and I do bug reports as quickly as I can ferret<br>them out, but the list of bugs seem to be growing. At some point we have to<br>stop adding features for a bit and squash bugs, which will improve the user<br>experience much, much more than a nice set of icons.<br><br>Regards,<br>Evert Vorster<br><br>On 17 June 2016 at 23:28, Jesse DuBord <jesse.dubord@gmail.com> wrote:<br><br>> I completely agree with Farid about the universal interface. Preferably,<br>> it would be great to see it all the same across distros right out of the<br>> box, without the user needing to go into styles and themes to choose what<br>> they think it should look like. For GNOME-based desktops, it's almost 90%<br>> identical to Kdenlive in KDE Plasma -- the only exception I'm seeing are<br>> the dialog boxes when opening a project or adding clips/media (see this<br>> bug: <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=360882><br>> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=360882). However this can be set up,<br>> I think it would be a huge step towards a more solid, positive recognition<br>> with the Kdenlive appearance; users will know it by its look and color, you<br>> know?<br>><br>><br>> On 06/17/2016 05:00 AM, kdenlive-request@kde.org wrote:<br>><br>> Send kdenlive mailing list submissions to<br>> kdenlive@kde.org<br>><br>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdenlive<br>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>> kdenlive-request@kde.org<br>><br>> You can reach the person managing the list at<br>> kdenlive-owner@kde.org<br>><br>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>> than "Re: Contents of kdenlive digest..."<br>><br>><br>> Today's Topics:<br>><br>> 1. Re: Catching discussions from Kdenlive café #7 (farid abdelnour)<br>><br>><br>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>><br>> Message: 1<br>> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 17:52:20 -0300<br>> From: farid abdelnour <snd.noise@gmail.com> <snd.noise@gmail.com><br>> To: kdenlive <kdenlive@kde.org> <kdenlive@kde.org><br>> Subject: Re: [kdenlive] Catching discussions from Kdenlive café #7<br>> Message-ID:<br>> <CAHMxv36SnYradXWOnQmXPBYuxVvNqQTAxm6JMDf+L1m-KdE_Kg@mail.gmail.com> <CAHMxv36SnYradXWOnQmXPBYuxVvNqQTAxm6JMDf+L1m-KdE_Kg@mail.gmail.com><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>><br>> Hi Vincent,<br>><br>> - packaging: I had already updated stable PPA to 16.04.1. For me the logics<br>><br>> behind PPAs is still relevant: master for dev version, testing for bugfix<br>> as soon as they get out (16.04 branch for the moment), and stable for<br>> releases (downloads not more than every month)<br>><br>><br>> How relevant are PPA's now that Snap is launched?<br>><br>><br>><br>> - Movit: just seen on forum that the lib is sensitive to localization:https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=269&t=132764&p=358335#p358314 worth<br>> a try!?<br>><br>><br>> I see that in Shotcut Movit causes a lot of bugs, I think we should wait<br>> until it gets stable or add a warning to users.<br>><br>><br>><br>> - icons: that's really surprising that no script can do the job yet! What<br>> is montel doing? ;)<br>><br>><br>> Icons are messy still and this should be fixed for 16.08. We need to offer<br>> a similar interface experience across all platforms and between different<br>> distros. A packaging guideline should be established.<br>><br>><br>><br>> - site: I have no time for this; maybe I should handle the installation<br>> part? (want to look at Flatpak!)<br>><br>><br>> Yes,please join in :)<br>><br>> What are your views? Snap, Flatpak or both?<br>><br>> - wanted to add: Farid is asking for EDL for years... and Shotcut has just<br>><br>> integrated this feature! Maybe not so far for Kdenlive?<br>><br>><br>> That would be a dream come true. I see Natron people have noticed this. Do<br>> you know which EDL stardard they use?<br>><br>> Cheers<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> --<br>> J e s s e D u B o r d<br>> ❯ Filmmaker, Screenwriter, Director, 3D Animator, Dreamer.<br>><br>> YouTube <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_32AyzBmFl_AXJ8mqOeAfw> |<br>> Google+ <https://plus.google.com/+JDRichards/posts> | Twitter<br>> <https://twitter.com/JesseDuBord><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> kdenlive mailing list<br>> kdenlive@kde.org<br>> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdenlive<br>><br>><br><br><br>-- <br>Evert Vorster<br>Isometrix Acquistion Superchief<br>(Streamer Handling)<br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kdenlive/attachments/20160618/509c568f/attachment-0001.html><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Subject: Digest Footer<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>kdenlive mailing list<br>kdenlive@kde.org<br>https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdenlive<br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>End of kdenlive Digest, Vol 20, Issue 11<br>****************************************<br><br><br><br><br>_____________________________________________________________<br>Find a local lawyer and free legal information at FindLaw.com.<br>_______________________________________________<br>kdenlive mailing list<br>kdenlive@kde.org<br>https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdenlive<br><br><br>