<p dir="ltr">If you decide to move to WordPress I can help out a bit too, I have plenty experience maintaining ownCloud.org :-)</p>
<p dir="ltr">replying on phone. blame faulty text completion/correction for any rudeness!</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 25, 2016 11:02 PM, "farid abdelnour" <<a href="mailto:snd.noise@gmail.com">snd.noise@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>hi guys,<br><br></div>i am one of the people interested in helping out with the website. i guess the first step would be to choose if we are gonna stick to the current platform (<span style="background:yellow none repeat scroll 0% 0%">drupal</span>) and update it since there might be some security flaws or switch to a different one (<span style="background:yellow none repeat scroll 0% 0%">wordpress</span>?). our lead designer here at the studio can take care of all the design of the website and if we choose <span style="background:yellow none repeat scroll 0% 0%">wordpress</span> i can apply it (i am not familiar with <span style="background:yellow none repeat scroll 0% 0%">drupal</span>). eventually we will do a research and develop a design best suited for everyone's demands and needs. i did a quick look around at other video, audio and graphics programs to start getting an idea about what is out there:<br><br></div><div>proprietary:<br><a href="http://www.lwks.com/" target="_blank">http://www.lwks.com/</a><br><a href="http://www.avid.com/US/products/Media-Composer" target="_blank">http://www.avid.com/US/products/Media-Composer</a><br><a href="http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/vegaspro" target="_blank">http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/vegaspro</a><br><a href="https://www.apple.com/final-cut-pro/" target="_blank">https://www.apple.com/final-cut-pro/</a><br><a href="https://www.adobe.com/products/premiere.html" target="_blank">https://www.adobe.com/products/premiere.html</a><br><br></div><div>free:<br><a href="http://natron.fr/" target="_blank">http://natron.fr/</a><br><a href="http://ardour.org/" target="_blank">http://ardour.org/</a><br><a href="https://www.blender.org/" target="_blank">https://www.blender.org/</a><br><a href="https://inkscape.org/en/" target="_blank">https://inkscape.org/en/</a><br><a href="http://www.gimp.org/" target="_blank">http://www.gimp.org/</a><br><br></div><div>parallel to this we can start thinking about writing/organizing the content and structure. (which is the most important thing.) like ttguy said, i agree that content is the most important but it should be well presented to the visitors. we can point to the forum, wiki and bug tracker from the website and users eventually will use the other services if necessary. <br></div><br></div>if you'd like to continue this conversation here it is fine by me, otherwise we can switch to the forum.<br><br></div>cheers<br><div><div><br><br><div><br></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2016-01-21 19:50 GMT-02:00 Roger Morton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ttguy1@gmail.com" target="_blank">ttguy1@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I have been involved in doing some maintenance of the content on both<br>
the <a href="http://kdenlive.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">kdenlive.org</a> web site and on the userbase.kde wiki.<br>
Historically the <a href="http://kdenlive.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">kdenlive.org</a> site was where everything happened. It<br>
was the manual, the forum, the place to make anouncements and to<br>
advertise how to get Kdenlive.<br>
<br>
Then for various reasons - as have already been mentioned - we moved a<br>
lot of this functionality to kde infra structure and closed the<br>
<a href="http://kdenlive.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">kdenlive.org</a> web site to new user registration. Now if we are thinking<br>
of putting more content back on the <a href="http://kdenlive.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">kdenlive.org</a> website we need to<br>
consider the future maintenance burden.<br>
<br>
The way to limit maintenance burden is to have a large number of<br>
contributors to the maintenance task. We can get this on the<br>
userbase.kde wiki since new user registrations are open. We can't get<br>
this so easily on <a href="http://kdenlive.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">kdenlive.org</a> because new automatic registrations are<br>
closed. We could try opening up <a href="http://kdenlive.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">kdenlive.org</a> again to new user<br>
registrations but I have to tell you that last time we had this open<br>
we were getting 5 or more fake spammer account registrations per day.<br>
I believe that the security on the registrations system had been<br>
exploited somehow because I would see authorised users that had never<br>
been sent a confirmation email. This the reason we turned off<br>
registration completely. Maybe this exploit has been fixed. I dunno.<br>
But this just something to consider in all this.<br>
<br>
While I agree that the attractiveness of the site is important I<br>
believe the accuracy of the content on the site is more important.<br>
And I don't think we should duplicate information.<br>
<br>
We have <a href="https://userbase.kde.org/Special:MyLanguage/Kdenlive/Manual/Installation" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://userbase.kde.org/Special:MyLanguage/Kdenlive/Manual/Installation</a><br>
to speak to installation<br>
and we have <a href="https://userbase.kde.org/Kdenlive/Manual/Tutorials" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://userbase.kde.org/Kdenlive/Manual/Tutorials</a> for tutorials<br>
<br>
So I am thinking more on the lines that Vincent mentioned. The<br>
<a href="http://kdenlive.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">kdenlive.org</a> site can have some nice looking promotional material that<br>
is fairly generic in nature and not requiring too much maintanance. It<br>
should link to the more dynamic information at the userbase.kde manual<br>
pages.<br>
<span><br>
<br>
>(3) Direct the viewer easily to a web page or location where they can get it... or at least show how they can get it.<br>
<br>
</span>This is of course one of our biggest issues and has been for ages.<br>
There is no way to have simple instructions on how to get it because<br>
everyone must rely on the package managers of their various linux<br>
distros. But if we had more contributors to the doco then we might<br>
have users from all different distros updating the doco to tell people<br>
how to install it on their flavor of linux.<br>
<br>
While we there is a mood about helping out with doco I would make a<br>
plea to people to help out on the userbase.kde manual. I did a lot of<br>
work on it a few years ago and got it to a point where it was pretty<br>
comprehensive. I had pages covering every menu item (not every effect<br>
or transition had a page - but a skeleton link to create a page was<br>
there). But now - with the major overall that kdenlive has undergone<br>
- it is out of date in many places. So if people have "documentation<br>
fever" they could help out on the <a href="http://userbase.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">userbase.org</a> wiki. - register a kde<br>
identity account here <a href="https://identity.kde.org/?r=registration/index/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://identity.kde.org/?r=registration/index/</a><br>
<br>
I summary my plea to people is to not focus too much on the sexiness<br>
of the websites but to focus on getting the content right. If you see<br>
something wrong just fix it !<br>
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