From snd.noise at gmail.com Sun Dec 1 22:13:42 2019 From: snd.noise at gmail.com (farid abdelnour) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2019 19:13:42 -0300 Subject: 19.12 RC Message-ID: With five days before freeze Kdenlive 19.12 RC is out. Check out more performance and render speed improvements and many bug fixes for Windows fixes to name a few. Please test and report back: https://files.kde.org/kdenlive/unstable/kdenlive-19.12.0-RC-x86_64.appimage.mirrorlist -- 1111.1010.r.i.1101|n.o.i.s.1110|i.m.1010.g.1110|مقاومة fsf member #5439 usuario GNU/Linux #471966 |_|0|_| |_|_|0| |0|0|0| gunga tempoecoarte atelier-labs rede mocambos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alriddoch at googlemail.com Sun Dec 1 22:58:00 2019 From: alriddoch at googlemail.com (Alistair Riddoch) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2019 22:58:00 +0000 Subject: 19.12 RC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Is this the version tagged v19.11.90 in git? On Sun, 1 Dec 2019 at 22:14, farid abdelnour wrote: > With five days before freeze Kdenlive 19.12 RC is out. Check out more > performance and render speed improvements and many bug fixes for Windows > fixes to name a few. > > Please test and report back: > > > https://files.kde.org/kdenlive/unstable/kdenlive-19.12.0-RC-x86_64.appimage.mirrorlist > > > -- > 1111.1010.r.i.1101|n.o.i.s.1110|i.m.1010.g.1110|مقاومة > fsf member #5439 > usuario GNU/Linux #471966 > |_|0|_| > |_|_|0| > |0|0|0| > gunga > tempoecoarte > atelier-labs > rede mocambos > -- Alistair Riddoch alriddoch at googlemail.com http://alistairriddoch.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Check out more >> performance and render speed improvements and many bug fixes for Windows >> fixes to name a few. >> >> Please test and report back: >> >> >> https://files.kde.org/kdenlive/unstable/kdenlive-19.12.0-RC-x86_64.appimage.mirrorlist >> >> >> -- >> 1111.1010.r.i.1101|n.o.i.s.1110|i.m.1010.g.1110|مقاومة >> fsf member #5439 >> usuario GNU/Linux #471966 >> |_|0|_| >> |_|_|0| >> |0|0|0| >> gunga >> tempoecoarte >> atelier-labs >> rede mocambos >> > > > -- > Alistair Riddoch > alriddoch at googlemail.com > http://alistairriddoch.org/ > -- 1111.1010.r.i.1101|n.o.i.s.1110|i.m.1010.g.1110|مقاومة fsf member #5439 usuario GNU/Linux #471966 |_|0|_| |_|_|0| |0|0|0| gunga tempoecoarte atelier-labs rede mocambos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Em seg., 2 de dez. de 2019 às 20:16, CI System escreveu: > *BUILD SUCCESS* > Build URL > https://build.kde.org/job/Applications/job/kdenlive/job/kf5-qt5%20SUSEQt5.12/277/ > Project: kf5-qt5 SUSEQt5.12 > Date of build: Mon, 02 Dec 2019 22:56:10 +0000 > Build duration: 19 min and counting > * JUnit Tests * > Name: (root) Failed: 0 test(s), Passed: 2 test(s), Skipped: 0 test(s), > Total: 2 test(s) > * Cobertura Report * > * Project Coverage Summary * > Name Packages Files Classes Lines Conditionals > Cobertura Coverage Report 36% (23/64) 23% (79/345) 23% (79/345) 20% > (14308/70118) 29% (28152/97741) > Coverage Breakdown by Package > Name Files Classes Lines Conditionals > renderer 0% (0/3) 0% (0/3) 0% (0/254) 0% (0/234) > src 42% (8/19) 42% (8/19) 14% (548/3977) 13% (267/2093) > src.abstractmodel 67% (2/3) 67% (2/3) 66% (231/351) 45% (94/207) > src.assets 67% (2/3) 67% (2/3) 39% (157/407) 58% (143/247) > src.assets.assetlist.model 0% (0/2) 0% (0/2) 0% (0/138) 0% (0/102) > 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Evert Vorster Awesome Chapters Tours http://www.awesomechapters.com Tel: +264 (0) 811477690 On Mon, 2 Dec 2019 at 19:53, farid abdelnour wrote: > Hi again Evert, > > Em qua., 25 de set. de 2019 às 01:41, Evert Vorster > escreveu: > >> Hi there, Farid. >> >> I usually stay out of flame wars, as nothing good comes out of it. >> However, one of the complaints against kdenlive is it's slow preview speed >> on crappy hardware. >> > > From my experience there has been a significant improvement in timeline > responsiveness, could you build from Master branch or try tomorrow's > AppImage? > > Cheers :D > > > -- > 1111.1010.r.i.1101|n.o.i.s.1110|i.m.1010.g.1110|مقاومة > fsf member #5439 > usuario GNU/Linux #471966 > |_|0|_| > |_|_|0| > |0|0|0| > gunga > tempoecoarte > atelier-labs > rede mocambos > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It happens when you play something on the monitor (from clip or on timeline) : - display something on monitor (clip or timeline) - play it (play button or spacebar) and stop it - when you want to go back to previous frame (with left arrow of the keyboard), it doesn't work. - if you go to next frame (right arrow), then it's OK and you can go back to previous frame Loïc From snd.noise at gmail.com Wed Dec 4 13:15:46 2019 From: snd.noise at gmail.com (farid abdelnour) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 10:15:46 -0300 Subject: Small Bug in Kdenlive 19.12 RC In-Reply-To: <361be279ebb60cf3286113b91a76989b@loicvanderstichelen.com> References: <361be279ebb60cf3286113b91a76989b@loicvanderstichelen.com> Message-ID: Yes! Noticed this yesterday night as well. We'll fix it before tomorrow (deadline). Em qua., 4 de dez. de 2019 às 09:30, escreveu: > Hello, > > There is a small bug in the RC (and it was not on pervious version). > > It happens when you play something on the monitor (from clip or on > timeline) : > > - display something on monitor (clip or timeline) > - play it (play button or spacebar) and stop it > - when you want to go back to previous frame (with left arrow of the > keyboard), it doesn't work. > - if you go to next frame (right arrow), then it's OK and you can go > back to previous frame > > Loïc > > -- 1111.1010.r.i.1101|n.o.i.s.1110|i.m.1010.g.1110|مقاومة fsf member #5439 usuario GNU/Linux #471966 |_|0|_| |_|_|0| |0|0|0| gunga tempoecoarte atelier-labs rede mocambos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Em qua., 4 de dez. de 2019 às 09:30, escreveu: > Hello, > > There is a small bug in the RC (and it was not on pervious version). > > It happens when you play something on the monitor (from clip or on > timeline) : > > - display something on monitor (clip or timeline) > - play it (play button or spacebar) and stop it > - when you want to go back to previous frame (with left arrow of the > keyboard), it doesn't work. > - if you go to next frame (right arrow), then it's OK and you can go > back to previous frame > > Loïc > > -- 1111.1010.r.i.1101|n.o.i.s.1110|i.m.1010.g.1110|مقاومة fsf member #5439 usuario GNU/Linux #471966 |_|0|_| |_|_|0| |0|0|0| gunga tempoecoarte atelier-labs rede mocambos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tv.lists at gmail.com Thu Dec 5 13:34:39 2019 From: tv.lists at gmail.com (Mettavihari D) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2019 19:04:39 +0530 Subject: Latest kdenlive In-Reply-To: <1917300886.1792.1575469250742.JavaMail.production@charlotte> References: <1735385835.1777.1575467042004.JavaMail.production@charlotte> <1917300886.1792.1575469250742.JavaMail.production@charlotte> Message-ID: Greetings We have been using kdenlive on our production during the last 4-5 years. Before kdenlive we were using cinelerra Our setup is the standard ubuntu LTS version and kdenlive from the repositories. I note that the version we are working with is 15.x.x On the list you talk about version 19.x.x Would you recommend us to build our own updated version, and if so where should i take the source code from. We use the kdenlive in a production environment on about 20 PCs all running Ubuntu LTS and would like to have a somewhat stable version. We are, along with that, also happy to compile the occasional test version if the community needs it. We regularly build our own ffmpeg version Regards Mettavihari -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vpinon at kde.org Thu Dec 5 13:40:52 2019 From: vpinon at kde.org (Vincent Pinon) Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 14:40:52 +0100 Subject: Latest kdenlive In-Reply-To: References: <1735385835.1777.1575467042004.JavaMail.production@charlotte> <1917300886.1792.1575469250742.JavaMail.production@charlotte> Message-ID: <3306233.dGhMQMpSZH@pad> Hello, We have a PPA to allow upgrading Kdenlive on Ubuntu easily... However, we couldn't support LTS anymore after the refactoring: the new QML UI requires Qt >= 5.11, while bionic is at Qt 5.9. Next LTS will be 20.04, only few months to wait ;) In that case, we recommend to use the AppImage you can download on our website, it contains all required libraries without affecting your system, and it is very well tested (the reference we recommend to every user wanting to follow our updates). Cheers and happy editing! Vincent Le jeudi 5 décembre 2019, 14:34:39 CET Mettavihari D a écrit : Greetings We have been using kdenlive on our production during the last 4-5 years. Before kdenlive we were using cinelerra Our setup is the standard ubuntu LTS version and kdenlive from the repositories. I note that the version we are working with is 15.x.x On the list you talk about version 19.x.x Would you recommend us to build our own updated version, and if so where should i take the source code from. We use the kdenlive in a production environment on about 20 PCs all running Ubuntu LTS and would like to have a somewhat stable version. We are, along with that, also happy to compile the occasional test version if the community needs it. We regularly build our own ffmpeg version Regards Mettavihari -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lv at loicvanderstichelen.com Thu Dec 5 16:42:49 2019 From: lv at loicvanderstichelen.com (lv at loicvanderstichelen.com) Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 17:42:49 +0100 Subject: how to get a log ? Message-ID: Hello, Kdenlive is installed on many machines at school but it crash on one of them. As soon I try to display something on the monitor (even a simple generated color), it crash. When I import a clip (I try with many formats : MP4, Apple Prores, DnxHD,...) and wait for a few seconds, it crash... (without trying to display it on the monitor) I've checked with Flowblade (also based on MLT) and it works. Is it possible to run Kdenlive with a --debug property or get a log file to check where it can come from ? Thanks Loïc From snd.noise at gmail.com Sat Dec 7 01:57:05 2019 From: snd.noise at gmail.com (farid abdelnour) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2019 22:57:05 -0300 Subject: how to get a log ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Loïc Kdenlive is installed on many machines at school but it crash on one of > them. > I am guessing you are running Linux since you mention Flowblade below, so which distribution? Which version of Kdenlive? Is it AppImage, PPA, distro package? Which MLT version is distro package? If I understand correctly it is happening only with one machine? It must have the same hardware as the rest right? Since you As soon I try to display something on the monitor (even a simple > generated color), it crash. > Do you have GPU processing turned on? Can you maybe reset all of Kdenlive's configs. Go to Help -> Reset configuration and see here as well: https://community.kde.org/Kdenlive/Configuration > When I import a clip (I try with many formats : MP4, Apple Prores, > DnxHD,...) and wait for a few seconds, it crash... (without trying to > display it on the monitor) > > I've checked with Flowblade (also based on MLT) and it works. > > Is it possible to run Kdenlive with a --debug property or get a log file > to check where it can come from ? > Can you compile it and run it with GDB? See here: https://community.kde.org/Kdenlive/Development/KF5#Compile_Kdenlive Otherwise just run it from the terminal and see if it gives a clue. > Thanks > Let us know how that goes... > > Loïc > -- 1111.1010.r.i.1101|n.o.i.s.1110|i.m.1010.g.1110|مقاومة fsf member #5439 usuario GNU/Linux #471966 |_|0|_| |_|_|0| |0|0|0| gunga tempoecoarte atelier-labs rede mocambos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vpinon at kde.org Sat Dec 7 07:32:50 2019 From: vpinon at kde.org (Vincent Pinon) Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2019 08:32:50 +0100 Subject: how to get a log ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3989710.2KOriEX4Q3@pad> Normally for a crash on Linux, DrKonqi (KDE Crash handler) should pop-up and offer to get a backtrace to send to devs via kde bugtracker... If you are not in KDE environment maybe you need to install DrKonqi ? If this particular PC crashes, maybe it has a different graphic card & driver ? Rgds, Vincent Le samedi 7 décembre 2019, 02:57:05 CET farid abdelnour a écrit : Hi Loïc Kdenlive is installed on many machines at school but it crash on one of them. I am guessing you are running Linux since you mention Flowblade below, so which distribution? Which version of Kdenlive? Is it AppImage, PPA, distro package? Which MLT version is distro package? If I understand correctly it is happening only with one machine? It must have the same hardware as the rest right? Since you As soon I try to display something on the monitor (even a simple generated color), it crash. Do you have GPU processing turned on? Can you maybe reset all of Kdenlive's configs. Go to Help -> Reset configuration and see here as well: https://community.kde.org/Kdenlive/Configuration[1] Can you compile it and run it with GDB? See here: https://community.kde.org/Kdenlive/Development/KF5#Compile_Kdenlive[2] Otherwise just run it from the terminal and see if it gives a clue. Thanks Let us know how that goes... 1111.1010.r.i.1101|n.o.i.s.1110|i.m.1010.g.1110|مقاومةfsf member #5439usuario GNU/Linux #471966|_|0|_||_|_|0||0|0|0|gungatempoecoarte atelier-labs rede mocambos -------- [1] https://community.kde.org/Kdenlive/Configuration [2] https://community.kde.org/Kdenlive/Development/KF5#Compile_Kdenlive [3] http://www.gunga.com.br [4] http://www.tempoecoarte.com.br [5] http://www.atelier-labs.org [6] http://www.mocambos.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From snd.noise at gmail.com Sat Dec 7 12:33:16 2019 From: snd.noise at gmail.com (farid abdelnour) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2019 09:33:16 -0300 Subject: Latest kdenlive In-Reply-To: References: <1735385835.1777.1575467042004.JavaMail.production@charlotte> <1917300886.1792.1575469250742.JavaMail.production@charlotte> Message-ID: Hi Mettavihari, So as Vincent said use the AppImage for now at least until next LTS in case you will upgrade. Next thursday (December 12) will be the release of 19.12. One thing to note, you are using the 15.x version which is very different from the post code refactoring 19.x series. So I would personally recommend to only start new projects with this new version. Let us know how the upgrade goes. Cheers Em qui., 5 de dez. de 2019 às 10:35, Mettavihari D escreveu: > Greetings > > We have been using kdenlive on our production during the last 4-5 years. > Before kdenlive we were using cinelerra > > Our setup is the standard ubuntu LTS version and kdenlive from the > repositories. > > I note that the version we are working with is 15.x.x > > On the list you talk about version 19.x.x > > Would you recommend us to build our own updated version, and if so where > should i take the source code from. > > We use the kdenlive in a production environment on about 20 PCs all > running Ubuntu LTS and would like to have a somewhat stable version. > > We are, along with that, also happy to compile the occasional test version > if the community needs it. > > We regularly build our own ffmpeg version > > Regards > Mettavihari > > -- 1111.1010.r.i.1101|n.o.i.s.1110|i.m.1010.g.1110|مقاومة fsf member #5439 usuario GNU/Linux #471966 |_|0|_| |_|_|0| |0|0|0| gunga tempoecoarte atelier-labs rede mocambos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lv at loicvanderstichelen.com Sat Dec 14 18:43:16 2019 From: lv at loicvanderstichelen.com (lv at loicvanderstichelen.com) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2019 19:43:16 +0100 Subject: how to get a log ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4036e43c3b84e4874f84eb87ddca531b@loicvanderstichelen.com> Hello, Indeed, I reset Kdenlive configs and it works. I think the reason was because Kdenlive was initialized with the Nouveau driver on the system. Then, when switched to Nvidia prorietary driver, the config was broken. Thanks for you help. Loïc Le 2019-12-07 02:57, farid abdelnour a écrit : > Hi Loïc > >> Kdenlive is installed on many machines at school but it crash on one of >> them. > > I am guessing you are running Linux since you mention Flowblade below, so which distribution? Which version of Kdenlive? Is it AppImage, PPA, distro package? Which MLT version is distro package? > > If I understand correctly it is happening only with one machine? It must have the same hardware as the rest right? Since you > >> As soon I try to display something on the monitor (even a simple >> generated color), it crash. > > Do you have GPU processing turned on? Can you maybe reset all of Kdenlive's configs. Go to Help -> Reset configuration and see here as well: https://community.kde.org/Kdenlive/Configuration > >> When I import a clip (I try with many formats : MP4, Apple Prores, >> DnxHD,...) and wait for a few seconds, it crash... (without trying to >> display it on the monitor) >> >> I've checked with Flowblade (also based on MLT) and it works. >> >> Is it possible to run Kdenlive with a --debug property or get a log file >> to check where it can come from ? > > Can you compile it and run it with GDB? See here: https://community.kde.org/Kdenlive/Development/KF5#Compile_Kdenlive > > Otherwise just run it from the terminal and see if it gives a clue. > >> Thanks > > Let us know how that goes... > >> Loïc > > -- > 1111.1010.r.i.1101|n.o.i.s.1110|i.m.1010.g.1110|مقاومة > fsf member #5439 > usuario GNU/Linux #471966 > |_|0|_| > |_|_|0| > |0|0|0| > gunga > tempoecoarte > atelier-labs > rede mocambos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noreply at kde.org Tue Dec 17 18:41:06 2019 From: noreply at kde.org (CI System) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 18:41:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?KDE_CI:_Applications_=C2=BB_kdenlive_=C2=BB_kf5-qt?= =?UTF-8?Q?5_FreeBSDQt5.13_-_Build_#_312_-_Failure!?= In-Reply-To: <472964733.704.1576548809038.JavaMail.production@charlotte> References: <472964733.704.1576548809038.JavaMail.production@charlotte> Message-ID: <1871772405.817.1576608066179.JavaMail.production@charlotte> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The highlights include huge performance improvements resulting in a faster and smoother timeline, a new audio mixer, master effects (audio/video), and better audio waveform display to name a few. Not to mention the usual round of stability and usability fixes. Check it out: https://kdenlive.org/en/2019/12/kdenlive-19-12-0-is-out/ Please test and tell us what you think. -- 1111.1010.r.i.1101|n.o.i.s.1110|i.m.1010.g.1110|مقاومة fsf member #5439 usuario GNU/Linux #471966 |_|0|_| |_|_|0| |0|0|0| gunga tempoecoarte atelier-labs rede mocambos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moores.martin at gmail.com Thu Dec 19 06:27:51 2019 From: moores.martin at gmail.com (Martin Moores) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2019 06:27:51 +0000 Subject: Kdenlive 19.12 is out In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Many thanks all, looking forward to giving it a spin with some projects at the weekend. Much appreciated! On Thu, 19 Dec 2019, 06:00 farid abdelnour, wrote: > Hi all > > After four months of intense work and more than 200 commits, Jean-Baptiste > Mardelle and the Kdenlive team are happy to announce the release of > Kdenlive 19.12.0. This release comes with many changes under the hood, new > features and nifty eye candy additions. The highlights include huge > performance improvements resulting in a faster and smoother timeline, a new > audio mixer, master effects (audio/video), and better audio waveform > display to name a few. Not to mention the usual round of stability and > usability fixes. > > Check it out: > https://kdenlive.org/en/2019/12/kdenlive-19-12-0-is-out/ > > Please test and tell us what you think. > > > > -- > 1111.1010.r.i.1101|n.o.i.s.1110|i.m.1010.g.1110|مقاومة > fsf member #5439 > usuario GNU/Linux #471966 > |_|0|_| > |_|_|0| > |0|0|0| > gunga > tempoecoarte > atelier-labs > rede mocambos > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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