From snd.noise at gmail.com  Fri Apr  1 19:58:18 2016
From: snd.noise at gmail.com (farid abdelnour)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 16:58:18 -0300
Subject: [kdenlive] Kdenlive website and brand logo?
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hello

2016-03-31 5:29 GMT-03:00 Jean-Baptiste Mardelle <jb at kdenlive.org>:

Hello Farid,
>
> Sorry it took so long to answer. We had an interesting exchange on the
> last Kdenlive café about your logo proposal and the website (1), and
> everyone agrees that the logo looks great.
>
> We decided to ask the KDE VDG (visual Design Group) what they think about
> the logo in KDE's forum (2), to have their feedback, and it looks like they
> love it too.
>
> My only concern was the scalability of the logo for an icon, but I saw on
> the forum that you are working on an icon version, so that's perfect.
>

great to hear... yes we will now send the svg versions of the logos (normal
and icon format) soon. this new logo will be applied in the next release?


> Thanks for your work!
>

thank you guys as well :)


> On the website topic, there were many comments / ideas, we will need to
> discuss it further, also find someone willing to implement the ideas and
> decide between keeping Drupal or switching to a static site generator..
>

if you could get someone to install a wordpress instance on kdenlive's
server i can apply the design. (i only know how wordpress works and have
zero knowledge of drupal.)

i see that there are many doubts still but i think many things will get
clearer if you could see it implemented.

too bad we wont be able to launch the website for the 16.04 but maybe for
the later dot releases or 16.08.


Regards,
>

cheers


> Jean-Baptiste Mardelle
>
> (1) https://notes.kde.org/public/kdenlive-cafe04
> (2) https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=285&t=131757
>



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From jb at kdenlive.org  Fri Apr  1 20:52:45 2016
From: jb at kdenlive.org (Jean-Baptiste Mardelle)
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2016 22:52:45 +0200
Subject: [kdenlive] =?iso-8859-1?q?Kdenlive_website_and_brand_logo=3F?=
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> great to hear... yes we will now send the svg versions of the 
> logos (normal and icon format) soon. this new logo will be 
> applied in the next release?

Hi,

I would have loved the new logo for 16.04 but I think this is too short. I 
have a lot of stuff to check and prepare for the release which is going to 
be prepared in about 10 days.

Also I don't want to end up with different logos on the application, 
website, mimetypes... So I prefer that we prepare it and make a proper 
announcement about the "rebranding".

The next feature release will be in august, but there will be monthly 
bugfix release if we want to make it happen faster.


> thank you guys as well :)
>  
> On the website topic, there were many comments / ideas, we will 
> need to discuss it further, also find someone willing to 
> implement the ideas and decide between keeping Drupal or 
> switching to a static site generator..
>
> if you could get someone to install a wordpress instance on 
> kdenlive's server i can apply the design. (i only know how 
> wordpress works and have zero knowledge of drupal.)  

Not sure we want/can manage a Wordpress install... we will have to think 
more about which tool we use for the website.


regards
jb

From snd.noise at gmail.com  Fri Apr  1 20:57:57 2016
From: snd.noise at gmail.com (farid abdelnour)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 17:57:57 -0300
Subject: [kdenlive] Kdenlive website and brand logo?
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hi


2016-04-01 17:52 GMT-03:00 Jean-Baptiste Mardelle <jb at kdenlive.org>:

>
> great to hear... yes we will now send the svg versions of the logos
>> (normal and icon format) soon. this new logo will be applied in the next
>> release?
>>
>
> Hi,
>
> I would have loved the new logo for 16.04 but I think this is too short. I
> have a lot of stuff to check and prepare for the release which is going to
> be prepared in about 10 days.
>
> Also I don't want to end up with different logos on the application,
> website, mimetypes... So I prefer that we prepare it and make a proper
> announcement about the "rebranding".
>
> The next feature release will be in august, but there will be monthly
> bugfix release if we want to make it happen faster.
>


probably better, lets do it the right way and apply it to everything.



> thank you guys as well :)
>>  On the website topic, there were many comments / ideas, we will need to
>> discuss it further, also find someone willing to implement the ideas and
>> decide between keeping Drupal or switching to a static site generator..
>>
>> if you could get someone to install a wordpress instance on kdenlive's
>> server i can apply the design. (i only know how wordpress works and have
>> zero knowledge of drupal.)
>>
>
> Not sure we want/can manage a Wordpress install... we will have to think
> more about which tool we use for the website.
>

ok, if you like i can host the new website on my server and you just
redirect the dns. eitherway i am available to help out in any way
possible...

have a good weekend.


>
>
> regards
> jb
>



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From informatica at actiu.net  Sun Apr  3 10:37:50 2016
From: informatica at actiu.net (Narcis Garcia)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 12:37:50 +0200
Subject: [kdenlive] slowmoVideo installable on Debian 8 and Ubuntu 14+
Message-ID: <5700F27E.507@actiu.net>

I'm testing this spectacular tool since this week it's packaged for
mentioned distributions:

https://github.com/slowmoVideo/slowmoVideo/issues/46

Massimo Stella suggested to embed slowmoVideo into Kdenlive:
https://kdenlive.org/node/9458

I must warn users that its rendering consumes a spectacular amount of
space (something like 10 temporary PNG files per each frame). And
rendering process can be 4x timeline time in an average PC.

From maxstar at tin.it  Mon Apr  4 16:21:19 2016
From: maxstar at tin.it (Massimo Stella)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 18:21:19 +0200
Subject: [kdenlive] =?utf-8?q?Kdenlive_Caf=C3=A9_=236_and_=236_selected_da?=
	=?utf-8?q?tes?=
Message-ID: <5702947F.4080205@tin.it>

Dear friends.
The selected dates for the next 2 Kdenlive café are:
Wednsday 20 April at 21.00 (9pm CET) and Wednsday 11 May at 21.00 (9pm CET).
We hope to meet you there.
Ciao.

Massimo Stella.

From maxstar at tin.it  Mon Apr  4 16:30:20 2016
From: maxstar at tin.it (maxstar at tin.it)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 18:30:20 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [kdenlive] R:  slowmoVideo installable on Debian 8 and Ubuntu 14+
Message-ID: <153e21c522a.maxstar@tin.it>

Hi Narcis,
First of all thank you for reading my document.
In my post I actually wrote that after more important things and features will be fixed or improved we'll can think to embed new filters as for eg Slowmovideo.
I truly believe  that at today Kdenlive has other priorities.
If you want to create slow motion video we can already use Slowmovideo as an external tool and then import the new video in the Kdenlive project.
Anyway I agree with you that Slowmovideo is a great tool.
Ciao.

Massimo Stella.


----Messaggio originale----
Da: informatica at actiu.net
Data: 3-apr-2016 12.37
A: <kdenlive at kde.org>
Ogg: [kdenlive] slowmoVideo installable on Debian 8 and Ubuntu 14+

I'm testing this spectacular tool since this week it's packaged for
mentioned distributions:

https://github.com/slowmoVideo/slowmoVideo/issues/46

Massimo Stella suggested to embed slowmoVideo into Kdenlive:
https://kdenlive.org/node/9458

I must warn users that its rendering consumes a spectacular amount of
space (something like 10 temporary PNG files per each frame). And
rendering process can be 4x timeline time in an average PC.
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From informatica at actiu.net  Mon Apr  4 16:35:46 2016
From: informatica at actiu.net (Narcis Garcia)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 18:35:46 +0200
Subject: [kdenlive] R: slowmoVideo installable on Debian 8 and Ubuntu 14+
In-Reply-To: <153e21c522a.maxstar@tin.it>
Message-ID: <570297E2.1030101@actiu.net>

Massimo, I Agree at all.
I tried succesfully slowmoVideo as an external tool, then importing
frames result as a Slideshow clip with 1 frame as frame duration.


El 04/04/16 a les 18:30, maxstar at tin.it ha escrit:
> Hi Narcis,
> First of all thank you for reading my document.
> In my post I actually wrote that after more important things and
> features will be fixed or improved we'll can think to embed new filters
> as for eg Slowmovideo.
> I truly believe  that at today Kdenlive has other priorities.
> If you want to create slow motion video we can already use Slowmovideo
> as an external tool and then import the new video in the Kdenlive project.
> Anyway I agree with you that Slowmovideo is a great tool.
> Ciao.
> 
> Massimo Stella.
> 
> ----Messaggio originale----
> Da: informatica at actiu.net
> Data: 3-apr-2016 12.37
> A: <kdenlive at kde.org>
> Ogg: [kdenlive] slowmoVideo installable on Debian 8 and Ubuntu 14+
> 
> I'm testing this spectacular tool since this week it's packaged for
> mentioned distributions:
> 
> https://github.com/slowmoVideo/slowmoVideo/issues/46
> 
> Massimo Stella suggested to embed slowmoVideo into Kdenlive:
> https://kdenlive.org/node/9458
> 
> I must warn users that its rendering consumes a spectacular amount of
> space (something like 10 temporary PNG files per each frame). And
> rendering process can be 4x timeline time in an average PC.
> _______________________________________________
> kdenlive mailing list
> kdenlive at kde.org
> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdenlive
> 
> 

From snd.noise at gmail.com  Mon Apr  4 18:53:41 2016
From: snd.noise at gmail.com (farid abdelnour)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 15:53:41 -0300
Subject: [kdenlive]
	=?utf-8?q?Kdenlive_Caf=C3=A9_=236_and_=236_selected_da?=
	=?utf-8?q?tes?=
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References: <5702947F.4080205@tin.it>
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hi

Dear friends.
> The selected dates for the next 2 Kdenlive café are:
> Wednsday 20 April at 21.00 (9pm CET) and Wednsday 11 May at 21.00 (9pm
> CET).
> We hope to meet you there.
> Ciao.
>

dates added to my agenda :)




>
> Massimo Stella.
> _______________________________________________
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> kdenlive at kde.org
> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdenlive
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From jb at kdenlive.org  Mon Apr  4 21:08:12 2016
From: jb at kdenlive.org (Jean-Baptiste Mardelle)
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2016 23:08:12 +0200
Subject: [kdenlive]
	=?iso-8859-1?q?Kdenlive_Caf=E9_=236_and_=236_selected_?=
	=?iso-8859-1?q?dates?=
In-Reply-To: <5702947F.4080205@tin.it>
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Message-ID: <3c3eb360-4025-4d7f-85d4-5da1f24527c0@kdenlive.org>

On Monday, April 4, 2016 6:21:19 PM CEST, Massimo Stella wrote:
> Dear friends.
> The selected dates for the next 2 Kdenlive café are:
> Wednsday 20 April at 21.00 (9pm CET) and Wednsday 11 May at 21.00 (9pm CET).
> We hope to meet you there.
> Ciao.


Thanks Massimo for taking care of the poll. I will make an announcement 
next week for the cafés. Also wanted to let you know that I have been 
working on adding the HD luma files you created, but it will require some 
changes to the way Kdenlive handles Luma files, so that it automatically 
selects the more appropriate resolution depending on your project's 
profile.

I have prepared the change but don't want to make is so close to release, 
so it will go in the master branch, and be in 16.08 release (maybe we can 
backport for 16.04.1 if really necessary). I have not yet been able to 
commit the change to master due to some config problem on KDE's git server, 
I am waiting for an answer from the sysadmin, but this is definitely in 
progress!

regards
jb 

From snd.noise at gmail.com  Tue Apr  5 19:12:42 2016
From: snd.noise at gmail.com (farid abdelnour)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 16:12:42 -0300
Subject: [kdenlive] two issues that i dont know if i report as bugs
Message-ID: <CAHMxv35pBzt2Bo0UjAZYvPULgLXap8O9gqGrstg+-GT9wHDEjQ@mail.gmail.com>

hi guys

i am doing some testing before the release with today's build of kdenlive
and mlt compiled from git in archlinux.

i noticed two things:

1- the audio is out of sync with the image and this wasn't happening a
couple of days ago, can anyone reproduce this?

2- before i could move the timeline position cursor any where i wanted and
now it seems that i can only move it within a range of clips but never
after the last clip. does this happen to you as well?

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From harald.albrecht at gmx.net  Wed Apr  6 07:36:40 2016
From: harald.albrecht at gmx.net (Harald Albrecht)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 09:36:40 +0200
Subject: [kdenlive] two issues that i dont know if i report as bugs
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Hi Farid,

ad 2: this has been already for some time this way in master (some 
weeks). The playhead will only position up to the end of the last clip 
on the timeline. I've rechecked with recent git this master and it is 
the same as it has been for some time.

Best regards,
Harald


Am 05.04.2016 um 21:12 schrieb farid abdelnour:
> hi guys
>
> i am doing some testing before the release with today's build of 
> kdenlive and mlt compiled from git in archlinux.
>
> i noticed two things:
>
> 1- the audio is out of sync with the image and this wasn't happening a 
> couple of days ago, can anyone reproduce this?
>
> 2- before i could move the timeline position cursor any where i wanted 
> and now it seems that i can only move it within a range of clips but 
> never after the last clip. does this happen to you as well?
>
> cheers
>
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From snd.noise at gmail.com  Wed Apr  6 13:25:28 2016
From: snd.noise at gmail.com (farid abdelnour)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 10:25:28 -0300
Subject: [kdenlive] two issues that i dont know if i report as bugs
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References: <CAHMxv35pBzt2Bo0UjAZYvPULgLXap8O9gqGrstg+-GT9wHDEjQ@mail.gmail.com>
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thanks harald,

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=361455

as for my first issue i will contnue to debug my system...

cheers

2016-04-06 4:36 GMT-03:00 Harald Albrecht <harald.albrecht at gmx.net>:

> Hi Farid,
>
> ad 2: this has been already for some time this way in master (some weeks).
> The playhead will only position up to the end of the last clip on the
> timeline. I've rechecked with recent git this master and it is the same as
> it has been for some time.
>
> Best regards,
> Harald
>
>
>
> Am 05.04.2016 um 21:12 schrieb farid abdelnour:
>
> hi guys
>
> i am doing some testing before the release with today's build of kdenlive
> and mlt compiled from git in archlinux.
>
> i noticed two things:
>
> 1- the audio is out of sync with the image and this wasn't happening a
> couple of days ago, can anyone reproduce this?
>
> 2- before i could move the timeline position cursor any where i wanted and
> now it seems that i can only move it within a range of clips but never
> after the last clip. does this happen to you as well?
>
> cheers
>
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From jesse.dubord at gmail.com  Wed Apr  6 16:42:43 2016
From: jesse.dubord at gmail.com (Jesse DuBord)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 09:42:43 -0700
Subject: [kdenlive] two issues that i dont know if i report as bugs
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Hey Farid,

Regarding #1, are you talking about video playback in the Clip Monitor? 
Project Monitor? And is it a video clip, I assume?

Regarding #2, yessir, I can also confirm that this is present. This has 
been implemented for some time, now. However, I don't believe it's a 
bug. I prefer it halting and the last clip in the timeline as opposed to 
a free-for-all, personally.

On 04/06/2016 05:00 AM, kdenlive-request at kde.org wrote:
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> hi guys
>
> i am doing some testing before the release with today's build of kdenlive
> and mlt compiled from git in archlinux.
>
> i noticed two things:
>
> 1- the audio is out of sync with the image and this wasn't happening a
> couple of days ago, can anyone reproduce this?
>
> 2- before i could move the timeline position cursor any where i wanted and
> now it seems that i can only move it within a range of clips but never
> after the last clip. does this happen to you as well?
>
> cheers
>


From snd.noise at gmail.com  Wed Apr  6 16:42:51 2016
From: snd.noise at gmail.com (farid abdelnour)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 13:42:51 -0300
Subject: [kdenlive] two issues that i dont know if i report as bugs
In-Reply-To: <CAHMxv34Xc4+_v5DM+=w+oTGW1b_gehdNJ=sao1ZM8TXOTRANQA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHMxv35pBzt2Bo0UjAZYvPULgLXap8O9gqGrstg+-GT9wHDEjQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <5704BC88.9050007@gmx.net>
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for issue 1 i found that jesse has the same problem:

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=360084

i hope this gets fixed before release.

cheers

2016-04-06 10:25 GMT-03:00 farid abdelnour <snd.noise at gmail.com>:

> thanks harald,
>
> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=361455
>
> as for my first issue i will contnue to debug my system...
>
> cheers
>
> 2016-04-06 4:36 GMT-03:00 Harald Albrecht <harald.albrecht at gmx.net>:
>
>> Hi Farid,
>>
>> ad 2: this has been already for some time this way in master (some
>> weeks). The playhead will only position up to the end of the last clip on
>> the timeline. I've rechecked with recent git this master and it is the same
>> as it has been for some time.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Harald
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 05.04.2016 um 21:12 schrieb farid abdelnour:
>>
>> hi guys
>>
>> i am doing some testing before the release with today's build of kdenlive
>> and mlt compiled from git in archlinux.
>>
>> i noticed two things:
>>
>> 1- the audio is out of sync with the image and this wasn't happening a
>> couple of days ago, can anyone reproduce this?
>>
>> 2- before i could move the timeline position cursor any where i wanted
>> and now it seems that i can only move it within a range of clips but never
>> after the last clip. does this happen to you as well?
>>
>> cheers
>>
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From snd.noise at gmail.com  Wed Apr  6 16:50:10 2016
From: snd.noise at gmail.com (farid abdelnour)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 13:50:10 -0300
Subject: [kdenlive] two issues that i dont know if i report as bugs
In-Reply-To: <57053C83.9010800@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.97.1459944022.27698.kdenlive@kde.org>
 <57053C83.9010800@gmail.com>
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hi jesse


2016-04-06 13:42 GMT-03:00 Jesse DuBord <jesse.dubord at gmail.com>:

> Hey Farid,
>
> Regarding #1, are you talking about video playback in the Clip Monitor?
> Project Monitor? And is it a video clip, I assume?
>

this happens in the clip monitor and the project monitor. the footage is
from an interview.


>
> Regarding #2, yessir, I can also confirm that this is present. This has
> been implemented for some time, now. However, I don't believe it's a bug. I
> prefer it halting and the last clip in the timeline as opposed to a
> free-for-all, personally.
>

is there a concept behind this move? i honestly prefer it to be free, maybe
this can be a timeline configuration to attend both cases. ;)

 cheers



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>> hi guys
>>
>> i am doing some testing before the release with today's build of kdenlive
>> and mlt compiled from git in archlinux.
>>
>> i noticed two things:
>>
>> 1- the audio is out of sync with the image and this wasn't happening a
>> couple of days ago, can anyone reproduce this?
>>
>> 2- before i could move the timeline position cursor any where i wanted and
>> now it seems that i can only move it within a range of clips but never
>> after the last clip. does this happen to you as well?
>>
>> cheers
>>
>>
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From harald.albrecht at gmx.net  Sat Apr  9 08:03:04 2016
From: harald.albrecht at gmx.net (Harald Albrecht)
Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2016 10:03:04 +0200
Subject: [kdenlive] Rendering with -3 MLT threads
Message-ID: <apvhxwj9ab4hpass3bs3q0s2.1460188984458@email.android.com>

Hi,
in my past six or seven projects I've tested final rendering of these projects using three MLT threads (not counting ffmpeg multithreading for decoding and encodingy). My results were always very positive: a speedup between 2x and 2.5x in rendering and never any corruption or memory issues. Before, my i7 rrely got above 30% usage, now I get 80%, and more, depending on what compositing madness I do in my projects.
I'm thus asking to add an experimental feature to the master branch to enable MLT rendering using between 1 and 3 threads. The current multithread rendering option instead controls ffmpeg decoding and encoding and can be kept as is; albeit I suggest changing its textual description to better reflect its nature.
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From jesse.dubord at gmail.com  Sat Apr  9 17:43:32 2016
From: jesse.dubord at gmail.com (Jesse DuBord)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 10:43:32 -0700
Subject: [kdenlive] New PPA's rock!
Message-ID: <57093F44.2060107@gmail.com>

Hey everyone,

I wanted to say the new PPA's for Ubuntu absolutely rock. Thanks to JB 
and Vincent (and others?) for your work to make this happen.

For those that don't know, if you want to have the latest stable or 
development versions of Kdenlive, and you run Ubuntu or Ubuntu flavors, 
you can add these ppa's to your system:

*ppa:kdenlive/kdenlive-stable = latest stable release

***ppa:kdenlive/kdenlive-testing* = latest development version
**
ppa:kdenlive/kdenlive-master = bleeding edge development builds

*Cheers,

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From informatica at actiu.net  Sat Apr  9 18:43:06 2016
From: informatica at actiu.net (Narcis Garcia)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 20:43:06 +0200
Subject: [kdenlive] New PPA's rock!
In-Reply-To: <57093F44.2060107@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <57094D3A.1020402@actiu.net>

Thanks for the information; I'm updating my peinddd install profiles.


El 09/04/16 a les 19:43, Jesse DuBord ha escrit:
> Hey everyone,
> 
> I wanted to say the new PPA's for Ubuntu absolutely rock. Thanks to JB
> and Vincent (and others?) for your work to make this happen.
> 
> For those that don't know, if you want to have the latest stable or
> development versions of Kdenlive, and you run Ubuntu or Ubuntu flavors,
> you can add these ppa's to your system:
> 
> *ppa:kdenlive/kdenlive-stable = latest stable release
> 
> ***ppa:kdenlive/kdenlive-testing* = latest development version
> **
> ppa:kdenlive/kdenlive-master = bleeding edge development builds
> 
> *Cheers,
> 
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From informatica at actiu.net  Sat Apr  9 18:46:20 2016
From: informatica at actiu.net (Narcis Garcia)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 20:46:20 +0200
Subject: [kdenlive] New PPA's rock!
In-Reply-To: <57093F44.2060107@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <57094DFC.5040800@actiu.net>

Reading the "download-debian" page, I have now a question:
Is "kdenlive-stable" available at Debian testing repositories?

Thanks.


El 09/04/16 a les 19:43, Jesse DuBord ha escrit:
> Hey everyone,
> 
> I wanted to say the new PPA's for Ubuntu absolutely rock. Thanks to JB
> and Vincent (and others?) for your work to make this happen.
> 
> For those that don't know, if you want to have the latest stable or
> development versions of Kdenlive, and you run Ubuntu or Ubuntu flavors,
> you can add these ppa's to your system:
> 
> *ppa:kdenlive/kdenlive-stable = latest stable release
> 
> ***ppa:kdenlive/kdenlive-testing* = latest development version
> **
> ppa:kdenlive/kdenlive-master = bleeding edge development builds
> 
> *Cheers,
> 
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From informatica at actiu.net  Mon Apr 11 07:18:35 2016
From: informatica at actiu.net (Narcis Garcia)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 09:18:35 +0200
Subject: [kdenlive] Only-copy editing
Message-ID: <570B4FCB.4050504@actiu.net>

Hello;

Some times, to feed my video samples repository, I need to extract only
small segments from a larger video recording (already compressed, p.e.
in MP2, MP4 or MOV), and I want to avoid a/v recompression and avoiding
too the very big RAW formats.
Other times I want to mount only a sequence of samples that match same
a/v codecs, and want to avoid recompressing and RAW too.

As some command line tools allow (mencoder, avconv, etc.), does Kdenlive
have some editing and rendering mode to use directly source streams and
concatenate or cut them for the final file?

(Of course this cannot allow transitions, effects, etc.)

Thanks.

From sanskritfritz at gmail.com  Mon Apr 11 08:37:48 2016
From: sanskritfritz at gmail.com (SanskritFritz)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 10:37:48 +0200
Subject: [kdenlive] Only-copy editing
In-Reply-To: <570B4FCB.4050504@actiu.net>
References: <570B4FCB.4050504@actiu.net>
Message-ID: <CAExbbMx37Es0wY=pAdBWQLVFEEP_nEn7wMyqq0+J52=ZUVmjMw@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Narcis Garcia <informatica at actiu.net> wrote:
> As some command line tools allow (mencoder, avconv, etc.), does Kdenlive
> have some editing and rendering mode to use directly source streams and
> concatenate or cut them for the final file?

AFAIK no, but there is Avidemux for that task.

From informatica at actiu.net  Mon Apr 11 08:48:34 2016
From: informatica at actiu.net (Narcis Garcia)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 10:48:34 +0200
Subject: [kdenlive] Only-copy editing
In-Reply-To: <CAER78vTZc9NxjnC7prHa3=Q7Eh+TbdVX=HBG3+ETdMVXY_WYag@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <570B64E2.5040506@actiu.net>

Yes, this helps.

The "extract zone" function in the clip monitor seems a good tool in a part.
Avidemux seems a good alternative for this Kdenlive's unsupported
editing mode.


El 11/04/16 a les 09:32, Evert Vorster ha escrit:
> Hi there, Narcis.
> 
> There is a function to extract pieces out of a clip losslessly in the
> clip monitor, but it only cuts between keyframes. You can acutally see
> the keyframes with the "analyze clip" clip job, but it's impossible to
> change a keyframe without re-encoding. I recommend padding each end of
> the piece you want to cut to ensure you get all the frames you want.
> 
> 
> Unfortunately, a render is a render. The best you can do is to either
> render to a lossless format (very big file) or set the quality setting
> really high for the output format. For x264 I recommend 18 or less.
> Also, if your output format is the same as your input format, the
> artifacts will be reduced, but in the end there is no magic cure here.
> 
> I hope this helps?
> -Evert-
> 
> 
> On 11 April 2016 at 09:18, Narcis Garcia <informatica at actiu.net
> <mailto:informatica at actiu.net>> wrote:
> 
>     Hello;
> 
>     Some times, to feed my video samples repository, I need to extract only
>     small segments from a larger video recording (already compressed, p.e.
>     in MP2, MP4 or MOV), and I want to avoid a/v recompression and avoiding
>     too the very big RAW formats.
>     Other times I want to mount only a sequence of samples that match same
>     a/v codecs, and want to avoid recompressing and RAW too.
> 
>     As some command line tools allow (mencoder, avconv, etc.), does Kdenlive
>     have some editing and rendering mode to use directly source streams and
>     concatenate or cut them for the final file?
> 
>     (Of course this cannot allow transitions, effects, etc.)
> 
>     Thanks.
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>     https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdenlive
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From karl.kiniger at med.ge.com  Tue Apr 12 14:02:17 2016
From: karl.kiniger at med.ge.com (Karl Kiniger)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 16:02:17 +0200
Subject: [kdenlive] kdenlive 16.04 project file xml issue
Message-ID: <20160412140217.GA19197@kipc2.localdomain>

Dear kdenlive developers,

current git master and 16.04 branch are using xml namespace kdenlive
without proper declaration and perhaps unintentional. Hopefully the
situation can be rectified before next release.

I discovered this while playing around with a python script using lxml to
rename all video files after conversion from mpegts to mov because seeking
in mpegts from Panasonic camera caused frozen images up to 0.7 seconds in
the final movie.

-------

Create a new project (1080p50 in my case) and put some color on
a video track and save the project.

head -15 color1.kdenlive outputs:

<?xml version='1.0' encoding='utf-8'?>
<mlt title="Anonymous Submission" version="6.1.0" root="/u/opt/kdenlive-16.04/kdenlive/20160412" producer="main bin" LC_NUMERIC="en_US.UTF-8">
 <profile width="1920" frame_rate_den="1" height="1080" display_aspect_num="16" display_aspect_den="9" frame_rate_num="50" colorspace="709" sample_aspect_den="1" description="HD 1080p 50 fps" progressive="1" sample_aspect_num="1"/>
 <producer id="1" out="249" in="0">
  <property name="length">00:00:05:00</property>
  <property name="eof">pause</property>
  <property name="resource">0xff8000ff</property>
  <property name="aspect_ratio">1</property>
  <property name="mlt_service">color</property>
  <property name="kdenlive:clipname">Color Clip</property>
  <property name="kdenlive:file_hash">13e1c0b0876a622164d511aa95adea94</property>
 </producer>
 <playlist id="main bin" kdenlive:customeffects="&lt;customeffects/>&#xa;">  <========= namespace  prefix used
  <property name="kdenlive:docproperties.documentid">1460414500091</property>
  <property name="kdenlive:docproperties.enableproxy">0</property>

------

This line is  using "kdenlive" as a namespace prefix (in contrast to
e.g. name="kdenlive:docproperties.documentid" just below which is just a
string) and I had to manually add some xmlns construct to be able to
process the file in python.

 <playlist id="main bin" kdenlive:customeffects="&lt;customeffects/>&#xa;">

Perhaps this is just an accident and we could live without xml namespaces
---

Best wishes for the next release and many thanks for working on this fine
software - however we (my wife and I) have produced our Iran travel video
with kdenlive-0.9.10 because upgrading project data to 16.04 had too  many issues with
especially audio  and stability in general

I will try to generate a test case for one kind of audio problem which was most
annoying.

Greetings,
Karl

PS: kdenlive-0.9.10 also was not too terrific stable so I set up
git to frequently snapshot the project file(s) and we did not lose
any work thanks to git....

From karl.kiniger at med.ge.com  Tue Apr 12 16:58:50 2016
From: karl.kiniger at med.ge.com (Karl Kiniger)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 18:58:50 +0200
Subject: [kdenlive] defect audio rendering after project migration
Message-ID: <20160412165850.GA2365@kipc2.localdomain>

Hello again,

using the following simple procedure the migration problem can be seen
easily:

1. generate or take some audio, I took 20 seconds of C-major chord from ffmpeg
   (a newer version needed, I used current git), vibrato for better
   listening experience...:

ffmpeg  -f lavfi -i "sine=frequency=262:sample_rate=48000:duration=20" \
        -f lavfi -i "sine=frequency=392:sample_rate=48000:duration=20" \
        -f lavfi -i "sine=frequency=330:sample_rate=48000:duration=20" \
        -f lavfi -i "sine=frequency=524:sample_rate=48000:duration=20" \
        -filter_complex "[0][1][2][3]amerge=inputs=4,pan=1c|c0=c0+c1+c2+c3,vibrato=d=0.2,volume=6dB[aout]" \
        -map "[aout]" -ac 1 \
        -c:a pcm_s16le -y  audio.wav

(you can also use any other audio source but now I understand ffmpeg
filter_graph a little more :-)


2. create a new kdenlive-0.9.10 project and place audio.wav at the
   beginning of an audio track

3. add volume(keyframeable) effect to the audio track, then adjust
   start volume to 0 and volume at end of clip to 100

4. using X (cut) tool, cut the clip into three thirds.
   (I took 3 parts because I wanted to see the ending volume of the
   middle clip)

4a move the first and third part to another audio track keeping the time position
   (perhaps not even needed but I am in a hurry now:-)

5. save the project and import it into kdenlive-16.04, then render it

Result: the linear increasing gain is not preserved properly. The
        first part starts from volume zero but the following parts
        dont continue the continous volume increase.

Kdenlive-0.9.10 renders it without an audible glitch, the volume is
        constantly increasing as intended.

Greetings,
Karl


From chris at swissmail.mooo.com  Tue Apr 12 18:15:46 2016
From: chris at swissmail.mooo.com (Chris)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 20:15:46 +0200
Subject: [kdenlive] defect audio rendering after project migration
In-Reply-To: <570D3A80.9030907@swissmail.mooo.com>
References: <20160412165850.GA2365@kipc2.localdomain>
 <570D3A80.9030907@swissmail.mooo.com>
Message-ID: <570D3B52.6070501@swissmail.mooo.com>

Hi there,

I have filed a bug on the same or a similar issue:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=361604

(Part of) the root cause could be that the conversion from previous 
levels 0-300 to db's is not correct. In the code I saw that it's done 
with natural logarithms (log) but I thought that decimal logarithms 
would have to be used (log10).

Best regards,
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: Karl Kiniger
Sent:  Dienstag, April 12, 2016 18:58 +0200
To: Kdenlive
Subject: [kdenlive] defect audio rendering after project migration

> Hello again,
>
> using the following simple procedure the migration problem can be seen
> easily:
>
> 1. generate or take some audio, I took 20 seconds of C-major chord 
> from ffmpeg
>     (a newer version needed, I used current git), vibrato for better
>     listening experience...:
>
> ffmpeg  -f lavfi -i "sine=frequency=262:sample_rate=48000:duration=20" \
>          -f lavfi -i "sine=frequency=392:sample_rate=48000:duration=20" \
>          -f lavfi -i "sine=frequency=330:sample_rate=48000:duration=20" \
>          -f lavfi -i "sine=frequency=524:sample_rate=48000:duration=20" \
>          -filter_complex 
> "[0][1][2][3]amerge=inputs=4,pan=1c|c0=c0+c1+c2+c3,vibrato=d=0.2,volume=6dB[aout]" 
> \
>          -map "[aout]" -ac 1 \
>          -c:a pcm_s16le -y  audio.wav
>
> (you can also use any other audio source but now I understand ffmpeg
> filter_graph a little more :-)
>
>
> 2. create a new kdenlive-0.9.10 project and place audio.wav at the
>     beginning of an audio track
>
> 3. add volume(keyframeable) effect to the audio track, then adjust
>     start volume to 0 and volume at end of clip to 100
>
> 4. using X (cut) tool, cut the clip into three thirds.
>     (I took 3 parts because I wanted to see the ending volume of the
>     middle clip)
>
> 4a move the first and third part to another audio track keeping the 
> time position
>     (perhaps not even needed but I am in a hurry now:-)
>
> 5. save the project and import it into kdenlive-16.04, then render it
>
> Result: the linear increasing gain is not preserved properly. The
>          first part starts from volume zero but the following parts
>          dont continue the continous volume increase.
>
> Kdenlive-0.9.10 renders it without an audible glitch, the volume is
>          constantly increasing as intended.
>
> Greetings,
> Karl
>
> _______________________________________________
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> kdenlive at kde.org
> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdenlive



From jb at kdenlive.org  Tue Apr 12 19:45:02 2016
From: jb at kdenlive.org (Jean-Baptiste Mardelle)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 21:45:02 +0200
Subject: [kdenlive] kdenlive 16.04 project file xml issue
In-Reply-To: <20160412140217.GA19197@kipc2.localdomain>
References: <20160412140217.GA19197@kipc2.localdomain>
Message-ID: <420a5756-058a-4dfe-95d3-4859860b2df4@kdenlive.org>

On mardi, 12 avril 2016 16.02:17 h CEST, Karl Kiniger wrote:
> Dear kdenlive developers,
>
> current git master and 16.04 branch are using xml namespace kdenlive
> without proper declaration and perhaps unintentional. Hopefully the
> situation can be rectified before next release.

Hi,

Thanks for your detailed report.

> This line is  using "kdenlive" as a namespace prefix (in contrast to
> e.g. name="kdenlive:docproperties.documentid" just below which is just a
> string) and I had to manually add some xmlns construct to be able to
> process the file in python.
>
>  <playlist id="main bin" kdenlive:customeffects="&lt;customeffects/>&#xa;">

This issue should be fixed by my recent commit to 16.04 branch.

regards
jb

From karl.kiniger at med.ge.com  Tue Apr 12 22:52:01 2016
From: karl.kiniger at med.ge.com (Karl Kiniger)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 00:52:01 +0200
Subject: [kdenlive] defect audio rendering after project migration
In-Reply-To: <570D3B52.6070501@swissmail.mooo.com>
References: <20160412165850.GA2365@kipc2.localdomain>
 <570D3A80.9030907@swissmail.mooo.com>
 <570D3B52.6070501@swissmail.mooo.com>
Message-ID: <20160412225201.GA19493@kipc2.localdomain>

Hi Chris,

arrgh, I should go to bed now...

On Tue 160412, Chris wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> I have filed a bug on the same or a similar issue:
> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=361604
> 
> (Part of) the root cause could be that the conversion from previous levels
> 0-300 to db's is not correct. In the code I saw that it's done with natural
> logarithms (log) but I thought that decimal logarithms would have to be used
> (log10).

I have read your bug description and this has motivated me to provide
details to reproduce the bug(s) I discovered while trying the 16.04
version.

However I think that my case i different from yours - besides wrong
audio levels - the cut (X) on the audion clips does not provide all
necessary keyframe gain info at the beginning and at the end of the
middle and right clips. Just try it with my example setup if you still
have 0.9.10 available. To see the amplitude just load the result into
audacity or similar. (the second and third part had constant volumes)

Best regards,
Karl

> 
> Best regards,
> Chris
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Karl Kiniger
> Sent:  Dienstag, April 12, 2016 18:58 +0200
> To: Kdenlive
> Subject: [kdenlive] defect audio rendering after project migration
[ deleted ]

From karl.kiniger at med.ge.com  Tue Apr 12 23:02:01 2016
From: karl.kiniger at med.ge.com (Karl Kiniger)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 01:02:01 +0200
Subject: [kdenlive] kdenlive 16.04 project file xml issue
In-Reply-To: <420a5756-058a-4dfe-95d3-4859860b2df4@kdenlive.org>
References: <20160412140217.GA19197@kipc2.localdomain>
 <420a5756-058a-4dfe-95d3-4859860b2df4@kdenlive.org>
Message-ID: <20160412230201.GB19493@kipc2.localdomain>

Hi jb,

On Tue 160412, Jean-Baptiste Mardelle wrote:
> On mardi, 12 avril 2016 16.02:17 h CEST, Karl Kiniger wrote:
> >Dear kdenlive developers,
> >
> >current git master and 16.04 branch are using xml namespace kdenlive
> >without proper declaration and perhaps unintentional. Hopefully the
> >situation can be rectified before next release.
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Thanks for your detailed report.

you are welcome. Will test tomorrow but the git commit says it all.

Greetings,
Karl

PS just a quick question: on my new Intel Nuc6i5 (SkyLake,  Intel integrated graphics, 8GB)
I have problems with the clip and monitor windows: they only display
part of the image scaled up. After starting kdenlive and clicking on a
video clip the first image is properly scaled in the monitor but as soon
as I am pressing "play" the monitor window content is being zoomed and never goes back
to the correct scale - this makes it impossible to do useful work on that machine. My other PC's
with Nvidia cards work just fine....

> 
> >This line is  using "kdenlive" as a namespace prefix (in contrast to
> >e.g. name="kdenlive:docproperties.documentid" just below which is just a
> >string) and I had to manually add some xmlns construct to be able to
> >process the file in python.
> >
> > <playlist id="main bin" kdenlive:customeffects="&lt;customeffects/>&#xa;">
> 
> This issue should be fixed by my recent commit to 16.04 branch.
> 
> regards
> jb
> _______________________________________________
> kdenlive mailing list
> kdenlive at kde.org
> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdenlive


From karl.kiniger at med.ge.com  Wed Apr 13 10:26:38 2016
From: karl.kiniger at med.ge.com (Karl Kiniger)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 12:26:38 +0200
Subject: [kdenlive] kdenlive 16.04 project file xml issue
In-Reply-To: <20160412230201.GB19493@kipc2.localdomain>
References: <20160412140217.GA19197@kipc2.localdomain>
 <420a5756-058a-4dfe-95d3-4859860b2df4@kdenlive.org>
 <20160412230201.GB19493@kipc2.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20160413102638.GA16457@kipc2.localdomain>

arrgh, the most important info is missing, sorry:

the wrong clip/timeline monitor scale on Intel Nuc6i5 happens on kdenlive-0.9.10
(16.04 is fine)

Karl

> 
> you are welcome. Will test tomorrow but the git commit says it all.
> 
> Greetings,
> Karl
> 
> PS just a quick question: on my new Intel Nuc6i5 (SkyLake,  Intel integrated graphics, 8GB)
> I have problems with the clip and monitor windows: they only display
> part of the image scaled up. After starting kdenlive and clicking on a
> video clip the first image is properly scaled in the monitor but as soon
> as I am pressing "play" the monitor window content is being zoomed and never goes back
> to the correct scale - this makes it impossible to do useful work on that machine. My other PC's
> with Nvidia cards work just fine....


From jb at kdenlive.org  Wed Apr 13 11:45:03 2016
From: jb at kdenlive.org (jb)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 13:45:03 +0200
Subject: [kdenlive] kdenlive 16.04 project file xml issue
In-Reply-To: <20160413102638.GA16457@kipc2.localdomain>
References: <20160412140217.GA19197@kipc2.localdomain>
 <420a5756-058a-4dfe-95d3-4859860b2df4@kdenlive.org>
 <20160412230201.GB19493@kipc2.localdomain>
 <20160413102638.GA16457@kipc2.localdomain>
Message-ID: <570E313F.5040808@kdenlive.org>

Le 13.04.16 12:26, Karl Kiniger a écrit :
> arrgh, the most important info is missing, sorry:
>
> the wrong clip/timeline monitor scale on Intel Nuc6i5 happens on kdenlive-0.9.10
> (16.04 is fine)
>
> Karl
Hi Karl,

Not sure what is the question here...
The monitor code was completely changed between Kdenlive 0.9.x and 
current versions (15.x, 16.x). We now use OpenGL to display the video, 
while 0.9.x used SDL.

There won't be any fixes for the 0.9.x versions, not sure what is 
happening there, but if this is fixed in 16.04, then everything looks fine.

The audio problem when opening older projects should be mostly fixed, I 
will have a last look tonight before final release, if you can make some 
tests, that is welcome.

regards
jb


>> you are welcome. Will test tomorrow but the git commit says it all.
>>
>> Greetings,
>> Karl
>>
>> PS just a quick question: on my new Intel Nuc6i5 (SkyLake,  Intel integrated graphics, 8GB)
>> I have problems with the clip and monitor windows: they only display
>> part of the image scaled up. After starting kdenlive and clicking on a
>> video clip the first image is properly scaled in the monitor but as soon
>> as I am pressing "play" the monitor window content is being zoomed and never goes back
>> to the correct scale - this makes it impossible to do useful work on that machine. My other PC's
>> with Nvidia cards work just fine....


From karl.kiniger at med.ge.com  Wed Apr 13 12:51:54 2016
From: karl.kiniger at med.ge.com (Karl Kiniger)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 14:51:54 +0200
Subject: [kdenlive] kdenlive 16.04 color clip/image clip surprises
Message-ID: <20160413125154.GA22810@kipc2.localdomain>

Hi again,

in current 16.04 try the following:

* new project (I chose 1080p50)

* add color clip - duration is shown as 5 seconds in project tree)

* drag and drop color clip to some video track - length in timeline is  5
  seconds - OK

* stretch or shrink the duration of the clip in timeline, e.g stretch it
  to 10 seconds

* project tree says clip lenght is still 5 seconds - OK

* again drag the color clip from project tree  to another position in timeline

* length in timeline is 10 seconds instead of 5 seconds  .... grrr

----------------

* try to add a PNG file as a clip - "all supported files" doesn't seem to
  include PNG, so choose "All Files"

* duration shows as 00:05:00:00 in project tree (is it really supposed to be 5 minutes??)

* however PNG clip is not affected like the color clip by changing duration

All the best,
Karl




From jesse.dubord at gmail.com  Wed Apr 13 16:24:38 2016
From: jesse.dubord at gmail.com (Jesse DuBord)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 09:24:38 -0700
Subject: [kdenlive] Snap packages & Kdenlive on Ubuntu 16.04 (and other LTS)?
Message-ID: <570E72C6.3010404@gmail.com>

Mark Shuttleworth, founder of Canonical, just sent this article along on 
Google+ - http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/04/ubuntu-16-04-lts-snap-packages.

If I understand it correctly, it sounds like current versions of apps 
can be available for LTS releases of Ubuntu without the worry about 
outdated dependencies.

If this is the case, wouldn't this be a good idea to use for Kdenlive 
for Ubuntu-LTS-based distros? Is it viable?

-- 
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*❯ Filmmaker, Screenwriter, Director, 3D Animator, Dreamer.*

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From jb at kdenlive.org  Wed Apr 13 18:34:50 2016
From: jb at kdenlive.org (Jean-Baptiste Mardelle)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 20:34:50 +0200
Subject: [kdenlive] kdenlive 16.04 color clip/image clip surprises
In-Reply-To: <20160413125154.GA22810@kipc2.localdomain>
References: <20160413125154.GA22810@kipc2.localdomain>
Message-ID: <4499c81a-db8b-4157-b124-a8201bd4ac0a@kdenlive.org>

On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 2:51:54 PM CEST, Karl Kiniger wrote:
> Hi again,

Hi,

> in current 16.04 try the following:
> * again drag the color clip from project tree  to another 
> position in timeline
>
> * length in timeline is 10 seconds instead of 5 seconds  .... grrr

Yes, I had seen this but was too lazy to fix. Done now.


>
> * try to add a PNG file as a clip - "all supported files" doesn't seem to
>   include PNG, so choose "All Files"
>
> * duration shows as 00:05:00:00 in project tree (is it really 
> supposed to be 5 minutes??)

Looks like your png file was not recognized as an image. Works for me. Can 
you tell me what is the output of the following command on your system:

file --mime-type yourimage.png

Thanks.

jb


From chris at swissmail.mooo.com  Wed Apr 13 18:52:03 2016
From: chris at swissmail.mooo.com (Chris)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 20:52:03 +0200
Subject: [kdenlive] Volume (keyframable)
Message-ID: <570E9553.3080404@swissmail.mooo.com>

Hi jb,

Thank you very much for fixing the conversion to decibels so quickly. 
The mix sounds good now.

I have installed the Ubuntu package kdenlive - 
4:16.07.70+git201604130921 and now note a bit of a strange behavior when 
importing old 0.9.6 files: On a clip with a "Volume (keyframable)" 
effect on, which was set to a flat volume of 300 (no keyframes set) in 
the old file, now the volume seems to be increasing in the 16.04 file 
rather than flat as in the original version. See the extracts from the 
files from below.

Clips with volume effects with a couple of keyframes on seem to work fine.

Keep up the good work!

Cheers
Chris


Extract from 0.9.6 File
   <entry in="65" out="246" producer="3_1">
    <filter in="65" id="filter3">
     <property name="track">0</property>
     <property name="window">75</property>
     <property name="max_gain">20dB</property>
     <property name="mlt_type">filter</property>
     <property name="mlt_service">volume</property>
     <property name="kdenlive_id">volume</property>
     <property name="tag">volume</property>
     <property name="kdenlive_ix">1</property>
     <property name="kdenlive_info"/>
     <property name="gain">3</property>
    </filter>
   </entry>


Extract from the same file opened and saved with kdenlive - 
4:16.07.70+git201604130921
   <entry out="246" producer="3_playlist4" in="65">
    <filter id="filter3" in="65">
     <property name="window">75</property>
     <property name="max_gain">20dB</property>
     <property name="level">-65=-60;0=9.54243</property>
     <property name="mlt_service">volume</property>
     <property name="track">0</property>
     <property name="kdenlive_id">volume</property>
     <property name="tag">volume</property>
     <property name="kdenlive_ix">1</property>
     <property name="kdenlive_info"/>
     <property name="kdenlive:sync_in_out">1</property>
    </filter>
   </entry>

From jb at kdenlive.org  Wed Apr 13 19:01:17 2016
From: jb at kdenlive.org (Jean-Baptiste Mardelle)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 21:01:17 +0200
Subject: [kdenlive] Volume (keyframable)
In-Reply-To: <570E9553.3080404@swissmail.mooo.com>
References: <570E9553.3080404@swissmail.mooo.com>
Message-ID: <a7618a03-4a9f-4bff-b8d3-d26631dc9c1f@kdenlive.org>

On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 8:52:03 PM CEST, Chris wrote:
> Hi jb,

Hi,

> Thank you very much for fixing the conversion to decibels so 
> quickly. The mix sounds good now.
>
> I have installed the Ubuntu package kdenlive - 
> 4:16.07.70+git201604130921 and now note a bit of a strange 
> behavior when importing old 0.9.6 files: On a clip with a 
> "Volume (keyframable)" effect on, which was set to a flat volume 
> of 300 (no keyframes set) in the old file, now the volume seems 
> to be increasing in the 16.04 file rather than flat as in the 
> original version. See the extracts from the files from below.


Ouch, good catch, just in time for release!
I just fixed it in git, should be fine now.

regards
jb



From informatica at actiu.net  Wed Apr 13 19:43:53 2016
From: informatica at actiu.net (Narcis Garcia)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 21:43:53 +0200
Subject: [kdenlive] Snap packages & Kdenlive on Ubuntu 16.04 (and other
 LTS)?
In-Reply-To: <570E72C6.3010404@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <570EA179.7020904@actiu.net>

"snap packaging" seems an hybrid between PPA and backports for a
docker-like system.


El 13/04/16 a les 18:24, Jesse DuBord ha escrit:
> Mark Shuttleworth, founder of Canonical, just sent this article along on
> Google+ -
> <http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/04/ubuntu-16-04-lts-snap-packages>http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/04/ubuntu-16-04-lts-snap-packages.
> 
> If I understand it correctly, it sounds like current versions of apps
> can be available for LTS releases of Ubuntu without the worry about
> outdated dependencies.
> 
> If this is the case, wouldn't this be a good idea to use for Kdenlive
> for Ubuntu-LTS-based distros? Is it viable?
> 
> -- 
> J e s s e   D u B o r d  
> *❯ Filmmaker, Screenwriter, Director, 3D Animator, Dreamer.*
> 
> YouTube <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_32AyzBmFl_AXJ8mqOeAfw> |
> Google+ <https://plus.google.com/+JDRichards/posts> | Twitter
> <https://twitter.com/JesseDuBord>
> 
> 
> 
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> 

From karl.kiniger at med.ge.com  Thu Apr 14 09:17:17 2016
From: karl.kiniger at med.ge.com (Karl Kiniger)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 11:17:17 +0200
Subject: [kdenlive] kdenlive 16.04 color clip/image clip surprises
In-Reply-To: <4499c81a-db8b-4157-b124-a8201bd4ac0a@kdenlive.org>
References: <20160413125154.GA22810@kipc2.localdomain>
 <4499c81a-db8b-4157-b124-a8201bd4ac0a@kdenlive.org>
Message-ID: <20160414091717.GA25917@kipc2.localdomain>

Hi

On Wed 160413, Jean-Baptiste Mardelle wrote:
> >* length in timeline is 10 seconds instead of 5 seconds  .... grrr
> 
> Yes, I had seen this but was too lazy to fix. Done now.

seems to be fixed now, thanks!

> >* try to add a PNG file as a clip - "all supported files" doesn't seem to
> >  include PNG, so choose "All Files"
> >
> >* duration shows as 00:05:00:00 in project tree (is it really supposed to
> >be 5 minutes??)
> 
> Looks like your png file was not recognized as an image. Works for me. Can
> you tell me what is the output of the following command on your system:
> 
> file --mime-type yourimage.png

it says: yourimage.png: image/png

just rebuilt everything from git 16.04 (using build script from mlt web
page) and the issue does not show up any more. (I am on Fedora 23
x86_64)


Best greetings,

Karl


From karl.kiniger at med.ge.com  Thu Apr 14 10:51:38 2016
From: karl.kiniger at med.ge.com (Karl Kiniger)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 12:51:38 +0200
Subject: [kdenlive] 16.04 UI audio gain curve adjustment and other thoughts
Message-ID: <20160414105138.GA30004@kipc2.localdomain>

Hi,

just a few observations/comments about adjusting keyframeable audio
gain in the time line :

* How to quickly get rid of the adjustment handles (dont know a better
  name) ? Perhaps by dragging up or down out of the track.

* When you put more than one  handle to the same position (can happen by
  accident) then it is difficult to pick it up again. The selection algo
  will pick some circle and you have to move it somewhere else in order to be
  able to select the desired one.

* Gain curves are now dB-linear, however the gain range goes up to 60dB which
  one will almost never use IMHO (amplitude factor of 1000). I think 20dB or
  even less amplification should be enough for any practical purpose which would
  use the available track height more efficiently w.r.t the dB scale.

* From my (amateurish) experience most of the time audio gain will have to be
  adjusted by, say -30dB (old scale: 3%) up to +10dB (about 300%), perhaps
  up to 15 or 20 dB. Gain below -30 dB will be used only when doing fade
  out or fade in - especially with music material. So the "interesting"
  dB range should perhaps be zoomed vertically in the time line to make
  the interesting gain range better visible.

* When adjusting gain for adjacent clips you have to separately adjust
  the gain at the end of the first clip and the gain at the beginning
  of the second clip. There are circumstances where you want to
  adjust those gains individually but there are also be situations
  where you will want to adjust them in parallel.
  (e.g you want to increase/decrease gain on a few adjacent clips by a few dB)

* It would be nice to be able to vertically zoom tracks individually on
  the time line, especially for the purpose of fine adjusting audio gain.

* When working on split video/audio it is sometimes necessary to adjust
  in/out points for video and audio separately. Currently you have to
  ungroup, adjust, re-group with the chance that you move one clip a
  little by accident and lose video/audio sync. If you dont notice
  this immediately and undo then you will have use the clip properties
  windows to get them back to original a/v sync - very cumbersome.

* Please add user interface for creating audio cross-fades. *please*
  There are two kinds of cross fades (in my projects):
  * very short, just to avoid some audible click or to avoid the
    new audio "jumping" in.
  * longer ones which most likely occur at the same time as a
    corresponding video cross-fade.

* It would be nice to quickly see in the time line if the in/out points
  of a clip are at the very beginning and very end or that there
  is some (a few frames duration?) slack space left.

Opinions are very welcome.

Manipulating the audio was the most time-consuming task on our last
travel movies so these thoughts have accumulated over time in my head
and available as written e-mail from now:-)

Nevertheless, I think that Kdenlive is already the most advanced
video editor in open source world and I never considered switching to
commercial products.

In despair one can always write some python script to manipulate the
xml project files like in the situation when I discoverd that my
mpegts 1080p50 files from Pananasonic camera (dont remember exact
model name, something with 900) and discovered frozen video images
(up to almost one second!) in the final render output and had to
re-mux to h264/pcm_16le in mov container. then I transformed the project
file with python script to use the new file names andproperties.

Suddenly no more problems and at the same time usable timeline
display without using proxy clips on quad core i5 processor +
some medium level nvidia card.

Congrats to all who read that far, :-)

Best regards,
Karl

From jb at kdenlive.org  Thu Apr 14 12:24:35 2016
From: jb at kdenlive.org (jb)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 14:24:35 +0200
Subject: [kdenlive] 16.04 UI audio gain curve adjustment and other
 thoughts
In-Reply-To: <20160414105138.GA30004@kipc2.localdomain>
References: <20160414105138.GA30004@kipc2.localdomain>
Message-ID: <8dc99967-b680-d57f-1e46-4e340c0edeab@kdenlive.org>

Le 14.04.16 à 12:51, Karl Kiniger a écrit :
> Hi,

Hi Karl,

Thanks for these ideas / comments.
> just a few observations/comments about adjusting keyframeable audio
> gain in the time line :
>
> * How to quickly get rid of the adjustment handles (dont know a better
>    name) ? Perhaps by dragging up or down out of the track.

Dragging a keyframe outside of a track (up or down) should already work.

> * When you put more than one  handle to the same position (can happen by
>    accident) then it is difficult to pick it up again. The selection algo
>    will pick some circle and you have to move it somewhere else in order to be
>    able to select the desired one.
(...)

Massimo Stella wrote an excellent review of Kdenlive comparing it with 
other editors and proposing improvements, including for the audio 
workflow. You can find it here:
https://kdenlive.org/node/9458

He also entered many of the ideas / feature in phabricator (a project 
management tool currently used for KDE projects) here:
https://phabricator.kde.org/project/view/40/

Those last weeks, I mostly concentrated on fixing issues for the 16.04 
release.
Now that this is done, I plan to do the following:

* In the next days: cleanup web site to remove obsolete content in 
preparation of the 16.04 release
* In the next 3 weeks: fix 16.04 bugs for the 16.04.1 release, and start 
organizing a roadmap for the 16.08 release, using phabricator and 
Massimo's documentation.

We will have a Kdenlive café on the 20th of april at 9pm (CET) for all 
those interested.

regards
jb


From karl.kiniger at med.ge.com  Fri Apr 15 09:43:03 2016
From: karl.kiniger at med.ge.com (Karl Kiniger)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 11:43:03 +0200
Subject: [kdenlive] 16.04 UI audio gain curve adjustment and other
 thoughts
In-Reply-To: <8dc99967-b680-d57f-1e46-4e340c0edeab@kdenlive.org>
References: <20160414105138.GA30004@kipc2.localdomain>
 <8dc99967-b680-d57f-1e46-4e340c0edeab@kdenlive.org>
Message-ID: <20160415094303.GA26690@kipc2.localdomain>

Hi,

On Thu 160414, jb wrote:
> Le 14.04.16 à 12:51, Karl Kiniger a écrit :
...
> >* How to quickly get rid of the adjustment handles (dont know a better
> >   name) ? Perhaps by dragging up or down out of the track.
> 
> Dragging a keyframe outside of a track (up or down) should already work.

It indeed works but you have to drag it up and I might have
only tried dragging down. Stupid me... Please leave the behaviour as is
since it avoids deleting the keyframe when trying to adjust to -60dB.

.....

> Massimo Stella wrote an excellent review of Kdenlive comparing it with other
> editors and proposing improvements, including for the audio workflow. You
> can find it here:
> https://kdenlive.org/node/9458

Thanks for the pointer! This is indeed a *very* interesting writeup.

Hopefully the amount of required work will not cause starving of the
project.

> He also entered many of the ideas / feature in phabricator (a project
> management tool currently used for KDE projects) here:
> https://phabricator.kde.org/project/view/40/

......

> We will have a Kdenlive café on the 20th of april at 9pm (CET) for all those
> interested.

I cannot access IRC from work here. (firewall/proxy constraints)

Greetings,

Karl

From jesse.dubord at gmail.com  Fri Apr 15 22:01:01 2016
From: jesse.dubord at gmail.com (Jesse DuBord)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 15:01:01 -0700
Subject: [kdenlive] Permission to create an official Kdenlive Google+
	Community?
Message-ID: <5711649D.4040105@gmail.com>

A quick message to the dev's: There's a Kdenlive community on G+, but it 
doesn't seem to be managed by anybody (or, at least, not managed well at 
all). I was wondering if I could have permission to create an official 
Kdenlive community page on Google+ (adding any relevant parties as 
managers/moderators, along with myself)? Even possibly one that could be 
linked to the Kdenlive websites (once the new one launches, that is)?

- JRD

From jb at kdenlive.org  Sat Apr 16 07:17:37 2016
From: jb at kdenlive.org (Jean-Baptiste Mardelle)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 09:17:37 +0200
Subject: [kdenlive]
	=?iso-8859-1?q?Permission_to_create_an_official_Kdenli?=
	=?iso-8859-1?q?ve_Google+_Community=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <5711649D.4040105@gmail.com>
References: <5711649D.4040105@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3907ba65-b8ab-41d0-9108-a444b644b7f9@kdenlive.org>

On Saturday, April 16, 2016 12:01:01 AM CEST, Jesse DuBord wrote:
> A quick message to the dev's: There's a Kdenlive community on 
> G+, but it doesn't seem to be managed by anybody (or, at least, 
> not managed well at all). I was wondering if I could have 
> permission to create an official Kdenlive community page on 
> Google+ (adding any relevant parties as managers/moderators, 
> along with myself)? Even possibly one that could be linked to 
> the Kdenlive websites (once the new one launches, that is)?


Hi Jesse,

Sure it's ok for me. As you said, it is important that several people 
including at least a developer have a manager access to it so that we don't 
lose control.

Thanks,

jb

From informatica at actiu.net  Sat Apr 16 08:01:23 2016
From: informatica at actiu.net (Narcis Garcia)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 10:01:23 +0200
Subject: [kdenlive] Permission to create an official Kdenlive Google+
 Community?
In-Reply-To: <5711649D.4040105@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5711F153.3080107@actiu.net>

I suggest you and everybody to grow in freedom direction instead of
corporate-centralized direction.

Friendica is a great project that interoprates with Facebook, Twitter,
Diaspora, GNU social, App.net, Pump.io and other services in their
social streams.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendica

There are also many more alternatives, such as recommendable Hubzilla,
Diaspora and Cunity:
hubzilla.org
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaspora_%28software%29
cunity.net

Many of them are already hosted, but all of them are FLOSS and can be
self-hosted.


El 16/04/16 a les 00:01, Jesse DuBord ha escrit:
> A quick message to the dev's: There's a Kdenlive community on G+, but it
> doesn't seem to be managed by anybody (or, at least, not managed well at
> all). I was wondering if I could have permission to create an official
> Kdenlive community page on Google+ (adding any relevant parties as
> managers/moderators, along with myself)? Even possibly one that could be
> linked to the Kdenlive websites (once the new one launches, that is)?
> 
> - JRD
> _______________________________________________
> kdenlive mailing list
> kdenlive at kde.org
> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdenlive

From jesse.dubord at gmail.com  Sat Apr 16 19:42:58 2016
From: jesse.dubord at gmail.com (Jesse DuBord)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 12:42:58 -0700
Subject: [kdenlive] kdenlive Digest, Vol 18, Issue 13
In-Reply-To: <mailman.77.1460808027.18684.kdenlive@kde.org>
References: <mailman.77.1460808027.18684.kdenlive@kde.org>
Message-ID: <CALZxiTzoC8Dy7VfxOVBsjuH1sndL_-0kHQST0Q-TAmsg7r0big@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks JB! Of course, please any dev's or relevant developers &
administrative parties join the community and let me know who you are so I
can make you a manager.

I've finished creating the new official Kdenlive Google+ community, which
can be accessed here:
https://plus.google.com/communities/114460978880033344765. I encourage any
and all G+ users to join and invite others to join. If any
corrections/revisions need to be made, please let know. I added URL links
to the Kdenlive website, the official forums, the bug tracking report site,
and the bug tracking web page for users to create a new bug tracker
account. I think that should be all the relevant links, yeah?

And, of course, feedback is always welcome. :)

Thanks all,

-JRD

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 5:00 AM, <kdenlive-request at kde.org> wrote:

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>
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>       Community? (Jean-Baptiste Mardelle)
>    3. Re:  Permission to create an official Kdenlive Google+
>       Community? (Narcis Garcia)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 15:01:01 -0700
> From: Jesse DuBord <jesse.dubord at gmail.com>
> To: kdenlive <kdenlive at kde.org>
> Subject: [kdenlive] Permission to create an official Kdenlive Google+
>         Community?
> Message-ID: <5711649D.4040105 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> A quick message to the dev's: There's a Kdenlive community on G+, but it
> doesn't seem to be managed by anybody (or, at least, not managed well at
> all). I was wondering if I could have permission to create an official
> Kdenlive community page on Google+ (adding any relevant parties as
> managers/moderators, along with myself)? Even possibly one that could be
> linked to the Kdenlive websites (once the new one launches, that is)?
>
> - JRD
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 09:17:37 +0200
> From: Jean-Baptiste Mardelle <jb at kdenlive.org>
> To: <kdenlive at kde.org>
> Subject: Re: [kdenlive] Permission to create an official Kdenlive
>         Google+ Community?
> Message-ID: <3907ba65-b8ab-41d0-9108-a444b644b7f9 at kdenlive.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> On Saturday, April 16, 2016 12:01:01 AM CEST, Jesse DuBord wrote:
> > A quick message to the dev's: There's a Kdenlive community on
> > G+, but it doesn't seem to be managed by anybody (or, at least,
> > not managed well at all). I was wondering if I could have
> > permission to create an official Kdenlive community page on
> > Google+ (adding any relevant parties as managers/moderators,
> > along with myself)? Even possibly one that could be linked to
> > the Kdenlive websites (once the new one launches, that is)?
>
>
> Hi Jesse,
>
> Sure it's ok for me. As you said, it is important that several people
> including at least a developer have a manager access to it so that we don't
> lose control.
>
> Thanks,
>
> jb
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 10:01:23 +0200
> From: Narcis Garcia <informatica at actiu.net>
> To: kdenlive at kde.org
> Subject: Re: [kdenlive] Permission to create an official Kdenlive
>         Google+ Community?
> Message-ID: <5711F153.3080107 at actiu.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> I suggest you and everybody to grow in freedom direction instead of
> corporate-centralized direction.
>
> Friendica is a great project that interoprates with Facebook, Twitter,
> Diaspora, GNU social, App.net, Pump.io and other services in their
> social streams.
> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendica
>
> There are also many more alternatives, such as recommendable Hubzilla,
> Diaspora and Cunity:
> hubzilla.org
> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaspora_%28software%29
> cunity.net
>
> Many of them are already hosted, but all of them are FLOSS and can be
> self-hosted.
>
>
> El 16/04/16 a les 00:01, Jesse DuBord ha escrit:
> > A quick message to the dev's: There's a Kdenlive community on G+, but it
> > doesn't seem to be managed by anybody (or, at least, not managed well at
> > all). I was wondering if I could have permission to create an official
> > Kdenlive community page on Google+ (adding any relevant parties as
> > managers/moderators, along with myself)? Even possibly one that could be
> > linked to the Kdenlive websites (once the new one launches, that is)?
> >
> > - JRD
> > _______________________________________________
> > kdenlive mailing list
> > kdenlive at kde.org
> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdenlive
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Subject: Digest Footer
>
> _______________________________________________
> kdenlive mailing list
> kdenlive at kde.org
> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdenlive
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> End of kdenlive Digest, Vol 18, Issue 13
> ****************************************
>



-- 
Jesse DuBord > FILMMAKER

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From maxstar at tin.it  Mon Apr 18 13:22:23 2016
From: maxstar at tin.it (maxstar at tin.it)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 15:22:23 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [kdenlive] =?utf-8?q?Next_Kdenlive_caf=C3=A9_=235?=
Message-ID: <15429894763.maxstar@tin.it>

Hi friends,

I just want to remember you that on Wednesday April 20 at 9.00pm (CET) 
there will be the next Kdenlive café.

Please remember to invite all the people who want to be involved in the community.

I hope I done right  in remembering you this.

Best regards to everybody.
 

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From snd.noise at gmail.com  Mon Apr 18 17:48:44 2016
From: snd.noise at gmail.com (farid abdelnour)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 14:48:44 -0300
Subject: [kdenlive] =?utf-8?q?Next_Kdenlive_caf=C3=A9_=235?=
In-Reply-To: <15429894763.maxstar@tin.it>
References: <15429894763.maxstar@tin.it>
Message-ID: <CAHMxv34YJH0o31ay0=XhH0dOXGS8oa+WmVzwW3rdbD6PjZbmYA@mail.gmail.com>

it is in my agenda, see you there :)

2016-04-18 10:22 GMT-03:00 maxstar at tin.it <maxstar at tin.it>:

> Hi friends,
> I just want to remember you that on Wednesday April 20 at 9.00pm (CET)
> there will be the next Kdenlive café.
> Please remember to invite all the people who want to be involved in the
> community.
> I hope I done right  in remembering you this.
> Best regards to everybody.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> kdenlive mailing list
> kdenlive at kde.org
> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdenlive
>
>


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From sam at cameralibre.cc  Wed Apr 20 10:30:49 2016
From: sam at cameralibre.cc (Sam Muirhead)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 11:30:49 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [kdenlive] Bug triaging How-To on krita.org
In-Reply-To: <mailman.81.1458129626.2076.kdenlive@kde.org>
References: <mailman.81.1458129626.2076.kdenlive@kde.org>
Message-ID: <KFnC3tg--3-0@cameralibre.cc>

I created a new wiki on my Talk page, based on Krita's post about bug 
triaging. It's missing a few things and there is certainly wrong information 
included, as I don't know what I'm doing :)

But it's a start, and perhaps those who do know what information is important 
for bug triaging in Kdenlive could take a look and make corrections?
https://userbase.kde.org/User_talk:Cameralibre
I think others can edit this wiki, if not, please let me know how to change 
it.

I'm looking forward to the Kdenlive Café this evening!


> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 16:21:11 +0000 (GMT)
> From: Sam Muirhead <> sam at cameralibre.cc> >
> To: Kdenlive <> kdenlive at kde.org> >
> Subject: [kdenlive] Bug triaging How-To on krita.org
> Message-ID: <> KCv4BCq--3-0 at cameralibre.cc> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> I just read this blog post on krita's website:
> https://krita.org/item/ways-to-help-krita-bug-triaging
> I thought that it would be a useful template to adapt to Kdenlive bug
> triaging, with a bit of copy+paste and a few kdenlive-specific 
> explanations.
>   It seems to be a friendly, welcoming way to bring users closer in to the
> project and provides some ready-made documentation that could be useful,
> right?
> I assume krita's site content is under an open licence but otherwise we can
> just ask them.
> 
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From sam at cameralibre.cc  Fri Apr 22 07:26:49 2016
From: sam at cameralibre.cc (Sam Muirhead)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 08:26:49 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [kdenlive] Kdenlive on Twitter
Message-ID: <KFwrI-3--3-0@cameralibre.cc>

I notice there's often a bit of activity on 
https://twitter.com/hashtag/kdenlive - people either showing off their work, 
or complaining that something doesn't work. It would be great to have an 
active kdenlive account to promote the nice work people are doing, retweet 
relevant info, update on development progress, link to blog posts, while also 
being able to guide complainers to the forum, let them know there's an update 
available, etc.

I'm very happy to do this, I'm on twitter quite a bit for OSCEdays and my own 
account anyway.
Two questions:
1) does anyone know who was running the account https://twitter.com/kdenlive 
?
no updates since 2011, it's not a good look for the project. If we know who 
ran it, we can ask them if we can take over the URL.

2) is it ok for me to represent kdenlive in a somewhat official capacity, or 
should it be non-official?
The difference would be:
Official: the user is called 'Kdenlive' and description would be something 
like "an intuitive and powerful Free Software video editor" If others want to 
join me in running the account, great! if not, we can just add a "tweets by 
@cameralibre" note to the description to make  it clear that it's not 
actually JBM.
This way people are likely to start conversations with the account, address 
complaints there directly, etc. (I see this as a positive, I can try to solve 
frustrations and direct people to the right place for more info/help)

Non-Official: the user is called something like 'Kdenlive Tips" or "Kdenlive 
News"
The advantage here is that you avoid a situation like the current one, where 
an 'official' social media account is abandoned, making the project look bad, 
or worse, if the person running the account behaves badly and says things 
that do not represent the community. To solve the abandonment issue I can 
make sure that devs also have login details, and to solve the 
'misrepresenting the community' problem, I promise to be a mature adult and 
avoid saying anything stupid :)

let me know what you think!

----Sam Muirhead
Open Source / Video
http://cameralibre.cc
http://openitagency.eu
https://OSCEdays.org
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From snd.noise at gmail.com  Fri Apr 22 13:24:22 2016
From: snd.noise at gmail.com (farid abdelnour)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 10:24:22 -0300
Subject: [kdenlive] Kdenlive on Twitter
In-Reply-To: <KFwrI-3--3-0@cameralibre.cc>
References: <KFwrI-3--3-0@cameralibre.cc>
Message-ID: <CAHMxv360ihY3wHf2YPnGDHeirOUiL1fczrJmgt=yxtiJpeGQfg@mail.gmail.com>

I think it is great to have the official twitter account reactivated. (also
now that Jesse started an official g+ community.)

Whether you like it or not, twitter is a great tool for an official channel
of communication. This can even help out in attracting more devs or at
least spread the word about what is going on with the project. Even the FSF
has one ;P

Cheers

2016-04-22 4:26 GMT-03:00 Sam Muirhead <sam at cameralibre.cc>:

> I notice there's often a bit of activity on
> https://twitter.com/hashtag/kdenlive - people either showing off their
> work, or complaining that something doesn't work. It would be great to have
> an active kdenlive account to promote the nice work people are doing,
> retweet relevant info, update on development progress, link to blog posts,
> while also being able to guide complainers to the forum, let them know
> there's an update available, etc.
>
> I'm very happy to do this, I'm on twitter quite a bit for OSCEdays and my
> own account anyway.
> Two questions:
> 1) does anyone know who was running the account
> https://twitter.com/kdenlive ?
> no updates since 2011, it's not a good look for the project. If we know
> who ran it, we can ask them if we can take over the URL.
>
> 2) is it ok for me to represent kdenlive in a somewhat official capacity,
> or should it be non-official?
> The difference would be:
> Official: the user is called 'Kdenlive' and description would be something
> like "an intuitive and powerful Free Software video editor" If others want
> to join me in running the account, great! if not, we can just add a "tweets
> by @cameralibre" note to the description to make  it clear that it's not
> actually JBM.
> This way people are likely to start conversations with the account,
> address complaints there directly, etc. (I see this as a positive, I can
> try to solve frustrations and direct people to the right place for more
> info/help)
>
> Non-Official: the user is called something like 'Kdenlive Tips" or
> "Kdenlive News"
> The advantage here is that you avoid a situation like the current one,
> where an 'official' social media account is abandoned, making the project
> look bad, or worse, if the person running the account behaves badly and
> says things that do not represent the community. To solve the abandonment
> issue I can make sure that devs also have login details, and to solve the
> 'misrepresenting the community' problem, I promise to be a mature adult and
> avoid saying anything stupid :)
>
> let me know what you think!
>
> ----
> Sam Muirhead
> Open Source / Video
> http://cameralibre.cc
> http://openitagency.eu
> https://OSCEdays.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> kdenlive mailing list
> kdenlive at kde.org
> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdenlive
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From harald.albrecht at gmx.net  Fri Apr 22 14:40:49 2016
From: harald.albrecht at gmx.net (Harald Albrecht)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 16:40:49 +0200
Subject: [kdenlive] Kdenlive icon
Message-ID: <usuo65gec3kjer44641hdtr8.1461336049188@email.android.com>

Hi,
as I look through cameralibre's slide set I only realize now that the "i" in the text Kdenlive below the new icon design looks much like the playhead. So what about tinkering with the typography here and replacing the i dot with a triangle like in the playhead from the icon?
Best regards, Harald
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From jb at kdenlive.org  Mon Apr 25 10:46:39 2016
From: jb at kdenlive.org (jb)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 12:46:39 +0200
Subject: [kdenlive] Kdenlive on Twitter
In-Reply-To: <KFwrI-3--3-0@cameralibre.cc>
References: <KFwrI-3--3-0@cameralibre.cc>
Message-ID: <53b04ade-dc07-547b-d74f-9a0ea7ac3cd8@kdenlive.org>

Hi Sam,

Sorry for the delay. Yes I also think it's a good idea to re-activate it 
if we manage to keep it alive.

1) I made a quick search of the mailing list archive, and it looks like 
nobody knows who created the https://twitter.com/kdenlive account. Back 
in 2011 we were already wondering... I don't know if there is any way to 
contact the author or to request the access...

2) I would go for an official account, you are an active member of the 
community!  It's just important that several people have access to the 
account so that we can ensure that we always have access to it...

Regards

jb


Le 22.04.16 à 09:26, Sam Muirhead a écrit :
> I notice there's often a bit of activity on 
> https://twitter.com/hashtag/kdenlive - people either showing off their 
> work, or complaining that something doesn't work. It would be great to 
> have an active kdenlive account to promote the nice work people are 
> doing, retweet relevant info, update on development progress, link to 
> blog posts, while also being able to guide complainers to the forum, 
> let them know there's an update available, etc.
>
> I'm very happy to do this, I'm on twitter quite a bit for OSCEdays and 
> my own account anyway.
> Two questions:
> 1) does anyone know who was running the account 
> https://twitter.com/kdenlive ?
> no updates since 2011, it's not a good look for the project. If we 
> know who ran it, we can ask them if we can take over the URL.
>
> 2) is it ok for me to represent kdenlive in a somewhat official 
> capacity, or should it be non-official?
> The difference would be:
> Official: the user is called 'Kdenlive' and description would be 
> something like "an intuitive and powerful Free Software video editor" 
> If others want to join me in running the account, great! if not, we 
> can just add a "tweets by @cameralibre" note to the description to 
> make  it clear that it's not actually JBM.
> This way people are likely to start conversations with the account, 
> address complaints there directly, etc. (I see this as a positive, I 
> can try to solve frustrations and direct people to the right place for 
> more info/help)
>
> Non-Official: the user is called something like 'Kdenlive Tips" or 
> "Kdenlive News"
> The advantage here is that you avoid a situation like the current one, 
> where an 'official' social media account is abandoned, making the 
> project look bad, or worse, if the person running the account behaves 
> badly and says things that do not represent the community. To solve 
> the abandonment issue I can make sure that devs also have login 
> details, and to solve the 'misrepresenting the community' problem, I 
> promise to be a mature adult and avoid saying anything stupid :)
>
> let me know what you think!
>
> ----
> Sam Muirhead
> Open Source / Video
> http://cameralibre.cc
> http://openitagency.eu
> https://OSCEdays.org
>
>
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From vpinon at kde.org  Mon Apr 25 22:07:14 2016
From: vpinon at kde.org (Vincent Pinon)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 00:07:14 +0200
Subject: [kdenlive] Introducing Joseph,
	working on Kdenlive Windows port for GSoC
Message-ID: <2612195.8ISkezIz2K@pad>

Hello,

It's a pleasure to share the good news with you: Joseph's project to work on Kdenlive port to Windows has been validated by KDE (thanks for sharing the slots) & Google.
Joseph had already made this offer last year, but we were not ready on our side... With the Qt5/KF5 port behind us, it is a great new step to climb!
Meanwhile he had been working for KDE on Kopete, so he already knows our environment, tools and community.

I will try to answer his questions regarding development, you may help too here, but also I hope in testing the earliest binaries whenever they would come?!

So please welcome him in our group, and be sure we will inform you for every progress we make...

Cheers,

Vincent.

From joejoshw at gmail.com  Tue Apr 26 04:39:18 2016
From: joejoshw at gmail.com (Joshua Joseph)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 06:39:18 +0200
Subject: [kdenlive] Introducing Joseph,
 working on Kdenlive Windows port for GSoC
In-Reply-To: <2612195.8ISkezIz2K@pad>
References: <2612195.8ISkezIz2K@pad>
Message-ID: <CAKYNVbQbAr8if672sp1Uo6dB6fiEYxGg7eUvZg4R9oW_+Sv1AA@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you, Vincent,

I am happy to have been given this chance.

I already started working on the Windows port, and I will compare between
using Emerge (natively on Windows) and MXE (cross compiling on Linux) to see
which method will suit us best.

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 12:07 AM, Vincent Pinon <vpinon at kde.org> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> It's a pleasure to share the good news with you: Joseph's project to work
> on Kdenlive port to Windows has been validated by KDE (thanks for sharing
> the slots) & Google.
> Joseph had already made this offer last year, but we were not ready on our
> side... With the Qt5/KF5 port behind us, it is a great new step to climb!
> Meanwhile he had been working for KDE on Kopete, so he already knows our
> environment, tools and community.
>
> I will try to answer his questions regarding development, you may help too
> here, but also I hope in testing the earliest binaries whenever they would
> come?!
>
> So please welcome him in our group, and be sure we will inform you for
> every progress we make...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Vincent.
> _______________________________________________
> kdenlive mailing list
> kdenlive at kde.org
> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdenlive
>



-- 
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From lionel.allorge at lunerouge.org  Tue Apr 26 16:12:58 2016
From: lionel.allorge at lunerouge.org (Lionel Allorge (lionel.allorge@lunerouge.org))
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 18:12:58 +0200
Subject: [kdenlive] Introducing Joseph,
	working on Kdenlive Windows port for GSoC
In-Reply-To: <2612195.8ISkezIz2K@pad>
References: <2612195.8ISkezIz2K@pad>
Message-ID: <9886160.XFB1Rpvc35@lionel-1>

Hi,

> It's a pleasure to share the good news with you: Joseph's project to work on
> Kdenlive port to Windows has been validated by KDE (thanks for sharing the
> slots) & Google. Joseph had already made this offer last year, but we were
> not ready on our side... With the Qt5/KF5 port behind us, it is a great new
> step to climb! Meanwhile he had been working for KDE on Kopete, so he
> already knows our environment, tools and community.
> 
> I will try to answer his questions regarding development, you may help too
> here, but also I hope in testing the earliest binaries whenever they would
> come?!
> 
> So please welcome him in our group, and be sure we will inform you for every
> progress we make...

Thanks for this good news.

I have been using kdenlive to edit videos for several years, especially for 
the non profit french organisation April <http://www.april.org/> and for 
Wikimedia Commons, like this one :
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Manufacture_nationale_de_S
%C3%A8vres_Atelier_du_Moulin_2013.webm

I work on a Kunbuntu distribution but people regularly ask me about editing 
videos on Windows with free software and the only software I can recommand 
right now is Blender. But Blender is not specialised in video editing. So 
having Kdenlive working on Windows would be a great step to help people to 
leave the dark side of the force and get rid of Windows.

Best regards.

-- 
Lionel Allorge
April : http://www.april.org
Lune Rouge : http://www.lunerouge.org
Wikimedia France : http://wikimedia.fr


From harald.albrecht at gmx.net  Tue Apr 26 16:15:49 2016
From: harald.albrecht at gmx.net (Harald Albrecht)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 18:15:49 +0200
Subject: [kdenlive] Introducing Joseph,
 working on Kdenlive Windows port for GSoC
In-Reply-To: <9886160.XFB1Rpvc35@lionel-1>
References: <2612195.8ISkezIz2K@pad> <9886160.XFB1Rpvc35@lionel-1>
Message-ID: <571F9435.4060202@gmx.net>


> So having Kdenlive working on Windows would be a great step to help 
> people to leave the dark side of the force and get rid of Windows. 
> Best regards. 
  I can now imagine Kdenlive's brand claim:

Kdenlive/W: change to the light side of video editing!

:)

From snd.noise at gmail.com  Tue Apr 26 17:29:17 2016
From: snd.noise at gmail.com (farid abdelnour)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 14:29:17 -0300
Subject: [kdenlive] Introducing Joseph,
 working on Kdenlive Windows port for GSoC
In-Reply-To: <571F9435.4060202@gmx.net>
References: <2612195.8ISkezIz2K@pad> <9886160.XFB1Rpvc35@lionel-1>
 <571F9435.4060202@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <CAHMxv34QuWfQfMfSm1=Lf4j8327TbrU5t1DCXfg_Y_RFvNdNjQ@mail.gmail.com>

welcome joseph,

your contribution will give access to hundreds/thousands (maybe even
hundreds of thousands) of people to kdenlive. that is fantastic! kdenlive
democratizing communication!

guys, we will need to call for some backup in the forums to handle all
those windows users ;P

cheers

2016-04-26 13:15 GMT-03:00 Harald Albrecht <harald.albrecht at gmx.net>:

>
> So having Kdenlive working on Windows would be a great step to help people
>> to leave the dark side of the force and get rid of Windows. Best regards.
>>
>  I can now imagine Kdenlive's brand claim:
>
> Kdenlive/W: change to the light side of video editing!
>
> :)
>
> _______________________________________________
> kdenlive mailing list
> kdenlive at kde.org
> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdenlive
>



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From joejoshw at gmail.com  Tue Apr 26 17:33:02 2016
From: joejoshw at gmail.com (Joshua Joseph)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 20:33:02 +0300
Subject: [kdenlive] Introducing Joseph,
 working on Kdenlive Windows port for GSoC
In-Reply-To: <CAHMxv34QuWfQfMfSm1=Lf4j8327TbrU5t1DCXfg_Y_RFvNdNjQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2612195.8ISkezIz2K@pad> <9886160.XFB1Rpvc35@lionel-1>
 <571F9435.4060202@gmx.net>
 <CAHMxv34QuWfQfMfSm1=Lf4j8327TbrU5t1DCXfg_Y_RFvNdNjQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKYNVbSchZ0O2U=qE69FMFzaeoPUH76F2tutNmEHqLV=7-5F4g@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 8:29 PM, farid abdelnour <snd.noise at gmail.com>
wrote:

> welcome joseph,
>
>
Thank you!


> your contribution will give access to hundreds/thousands (maybe even
> hundreds of thousands) of people to kdenlive. that is fantastic! kdenlive
> democratizing communication!
>
>
Looking forward to increasing our reach and our user base.


> guys, we will need to call for some backup in the forums to handle all
> those windows users ;P
>
> cheers
>
> 2016-04-26 13:15 GMT-03:00 Harald Albrecht <harald.albrecht at gmx.net>:
>
>>
>> So having Kdenlive working on Windows would be a great step to help
>>> people to leave the dark side of the force and get rid of Windows. Best
>>> regards.
>>>
>>  I can now imagine Kdenlive's brand claim:
>>
>> Kdenlive/W: change to the light side of video editing!
>>
>> :)
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> kdenlive mailing list
>> kdenlive at kde.org
>> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdenlive
>>
>
>
>
> --
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> |_|0|_|
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> <a href="http://www.tempoecoarte.com.br">tempoecoarte</a>
> <a href="http://www.atelier-labs.org">atelier-labs</a>
> <a href="http://www.mocambos.net">rede mocambos</a>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> kdenlive at kde.org
> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdenlive
>
>


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From maxstar at tin.it  Tue Apr 26 17:43:47 2016
From: maxstar at tin.it (maxstar at tin.it)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 19:43:47 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [kdenlive] R:  Introducing Joseph,
 working on Kdenlive Windows port for GSoC
Message-ID: <15453ab7857.maxstar@tin.it>

Welcome Joseph an thank you for your contribution.
I'm sure that by porting Kdenlive on Windows you'll help the community to grow very fast and it will help to make Kdenlive even better in short time.
I'm sure that Kdenlive on Windows will push people to adopt GNU/Linux as it was for me in the past with other FLOSS software.
I hope that we'll see soon on the Kdenlive site a download button for a Windows installation file. 

Massimo Stella

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From harald.albrecht at gmx.net  Tue Apr 26 17:49:39 2016
From: harald.albrecht at gmx.net (Harald Albrecht)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 19:49:39 +0200
Subject: [kdenlive] R: Introducing Joseph,
 working on Kdenlive Windows port for GSoC
In-Reply-To: <15453ab7857.maxstar@tin.it>
References: <15453ab7857.maxstar@tin.it>
Message-ID: <571FAA33.9060104@gmx.net>

But ... would it support Metro...? *cowering now*

Am 26.04.2016 um 19:43 schrieb maxstar at tin.it:
> Welcome Joseph an thank you for your contribution.
> I'm sure that by porting Kdenlive on Windows you'll help the community 
> to grow very fast and it will help to make Kdenlive even better in 
> short time.
> I'm sure that Kdenlive on Windows will push people to adopt GNU/Linux 
> as it was for me in the past with other FLOSS software.
> I hope that we'll see soon on the Kdenlive site a download button for 
> a Windows installation file.
>
> Massimo Stella
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> kdenlive mailing list
> kdenlive at kde.org
> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdenlive

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From jesse.dubord at gmail.com  Tue Apr 26 17:53:29 2016
From: jesse.dubord at gmail.com (Jesse DuBord)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:53:29 -0700
Subject: [kdenlive] Introducing Joseph,
	working on Kdenlive Windows port for, GSoC
In-Reply-To: <mailman.95445.1461692987.22121.kdenlive@kde.org>
References: <mailman.95445.1461692987.22121.kdenlive@kde.org>
Message-ID: <571FAB19.6070802@gmail.com>

Welcome, Joseph! Thanks so much for your willingness to contribute to 
this invaluable project for us video editors out there. And I agree with 
everyone, the more people see how beneficial the FOSS world is for 
users, the better chance we have of making them use Free Software full time.

Light side, FTW. :)

Cheers,

JRD

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> Send kdenlive mailing list submissions to
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>
>     1. Re:  Introducing Joseph,	working on Kdenlive Windows port for
>        GSoC (Lionel Allorge (lionel.allorge at lunerouge.org))
>     2. Re:  Introducing Joseph, working on Kdenlive Windows port for
>        GSoC (Harald Albrecht)
>     3. Re:  Introducing Joseph, working on Kdenlive Windows port for
>        GSoC (farid abdelnour)
>     4. Re:  Introducing Joseph, working on Kdenlive Windows port for
>        GSoC (Joshua Joseph)
>     5.  R:  Introducing Joseph, working on Kdenlive Windows port for
>        GSoC (maxstar at tin.it)
>     6. Re:  R: Introducing Joseph, working on Kdenlive Windows port
>        for GSoC (Harald Albrecht)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 18:12:58 +0200
> From: "Lionel Allorge (lionel.allorge at lunerouge.org)"
> 	<lionel.allorge at lunerouge.org>
> To: kdenlive at kde.org
> Subject: Re: [kdenlive] Introducing Joseph,	working on Kdenlive
> 	Windows port for GSoC
> Message-ID: <9886160.XFB1Rpvc35 at lionel-1>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hi,
>
>> It's a pleasure to share the good news with you: Joseph's project to work on
>> Kdenlive port to Windows has been validated by KDE (thanks for sharing the
>> slots) & Google. Joseph had already made this offer last year, but we were
>> not ready on our side... With the Qt5/KF5 port behind us, it is a great new
>> step to climb! Meanwhile he had been working for KDE on Kopete, so he
>> already knows our environment, tools and community.
>>
>> I will try to answer his questions regarding development, you may help too
>> here, but also I hope in testing the earliest binaries whenever they would
>> come?!
>>
>> So please welcome him in our group, and be sure we will inform you for every
>> progress we make...
> Thanks for this good news.
>
> I have been using kdenlive to edit videos for several years, especially for
> the non profit french organisation April <http://www.april.org/> and for
> Wikimedia Commons, like this one :
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Manufacture_nationale_de_S
> %C3%A8vres_Atelier_du_Moulin_2013.webm
>
> I work on a Kunbuntu distribution but people regularly ask me about editing
> videos on Windows with free software and the only software I can recommand
> right now is Blender. But Blender is not specialised in video editing. So
> having Kdenlive working on Windows would be a great step to help people to
> leave the dark side of the force and get rid of Windows.
>
> Best regards.
>


From joejoshw at gmail.com  Tue Apr 26 18:22:11 2016
From: joejoshw at gmail.com (Joshua Joseph)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 21:22:11 +0300
Subject: [kdenlive] R: Introducing Joseph,
 working on Kdenlive Windows port for GSoC
In-Reply-To: <15453ab7857.maxstar@tin.it>
References: <15453ab7857.maxstar@tin.it>
Message-ID: <CAKYNVbRrNJnZhVpuTP3fHsNdgg3zD4RaYUSxh--9=L1-vw5o6Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 8:43 PM, maxstar at tin.it <maxstar at tin.it> wrote:

> Welcome Joseph an thank you for your contribution.
> I'm sure that by porting Kdenlive on Windows you'll help the community to
> grow very fast and it will help to make Kdenlive even better in short time.
> I'm sure that Kdenlive on Windows will push people to adopt GNU/Linux as
> it was for me in the past with other FLOSS software.
> I hope that we'll see soon on the Kdenlive site a download button for a
> Windows installation file.
>

Of course.

That is the plan.


>
> Massimo Stella
>
> _______________________________________________
> kdenlive mailing list
> kdenlive at kde.org
> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdenlive
>
>


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From jb at kdenlive.org  Tue Apr 26 19:57:12 2016
From: jb at kdenlive.org (Jean-Baptiste Mardelle)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 21:57:12 +0200
Subject: [kdenlive]
	=?iso-8859-1?q?Introducing_Joseph=2C_working_on_Kdenli?=
	=?iso-8859-1?q?ve_Windows_port_for_GSoC?=
In-Reply-To: <CAKYNVbSchZ0O2U=qE69FMFzaeoPUH76F2tutNmEHqLV=7-5F4g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2612195.8ISkezIz2K@pad> <9886160.XFB1Rpvc35@lionel-1>
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Message-ID: <1c148a73-bbb9-4475-8328-b05f055b2041@kdenlive.org>

On Tuesday, April 26, 2016 7:33:02 PM CEST, Joshua Joseph wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 8:29 PM, farid abdelnour 
> <snd.noise at gmail.com> wrote:
> welcome joseph,
>

Yes, we are very glad to have you onboard Joseph, and your project 
generates a lot of enthusiasm!

> your contribution will give access to hundreds/thousands (maybe 
> even hundreds of thousands) of people to kdenlive. that is 
> fantastic! kdenlive democratizing communication!
>
>
> Looking forward to increasing our reach and our user base.

I think we should setup a blog account for you (kdenlive.org?) so that you 
can make a short presentation of your project and keep everyone updated 
when you start... but maybe you already checked that with Vincent.

Anyways, I will definitely take some time in the next weeks to help Vincent 
with the code cleanup to remove old unused code and files.

Looking forward to this collaboration!

Best regards,

jb 

From jesse.dubord at gmail.com  Wed Apr 27 17:49:01 2016
From: jesse.dubord at gmail.com (Jesse DuBord)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 10:49:01 -0700
Subject: [kdenlive] Consider new default layout?
Message-ID: <5720FB8D.3080303@gmail.com>

Wanted to bring this to the table for discussion. There's an incredible 
amount of great features that Kdenlive has. We all know that. Though, 
after I run the first-time wizard and the program opens up, the layout 
looks.... cluttered. I don't think there's too many widgets open, but I 
think the way they're arranged is a little much. A video editor, I 
believe, should have the video monitors front and center, and the main 
focus of the program.

I know the initial/default layout hasn't really changed really at all (I 
remember it being the same when I used 0.9.6 to teach a class about 
video editing).

Could we possibly open a dialog about considering a new default layout 
for the next release? Am I the only one who thinks this needs a little 
cleanup and/or improvement?

From maxstar at tin.it  Wed Apr 27 23:47:47 2016
From: maxstar at tin.it (maxstar at tin.it)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 01:47:47 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [kdenlive] R:  Consider new default layout?
Message-ID: <1545a1f180e.maxstar@tin.it>

I don't remember which is the default layout.
I set on my Kdenlive a custom layout which comes from other softwares (mostly Premiere Pro and Final Cut Pro)
You can see how I arranged my space here:
http://s32.postimg.org/4ns498zsl/Kdenlive_Layout_01.jpg
http://s32.postimg.org/rbbyt54qd/Kdenlive_Layout_02.jpg
I hope these images wll be useful for a community discussion.

Massimo Stella.



----Messaggio originale----
Da: jesse.dubord at gmail.com
Data: 27-apr-2016 19.49
A: "kdenlive"<kdenlive at kde.org>
Ogg: [kdenlive] Consider new default layout?

Wanted to bring this to the table for discussion. There's an incredible 
amount of great features that Kdenlive has. We all know that. Though, 
after I run the first-time wizard and the program opens up, the layout 
looks.... cluttered. I don't think there's too many widgets open, but I 
think the way they're arranged is a little much. A video editor, I 
believe, should have the video monitors front and center, and the main 
focus of the program.

I know the initial/default layout hasn't really changed really at all (I 
remember it being the same when I used 0.9.6 to teach a class about 
video editing).

Could we possibly open a dialog about considering a new default layout 
for the next release? Am I the only one who thinks this needs a little 
cleanup and/or improvement?
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From matthias.paillard at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 20:52:14 2016
From: matthias.paillard at gmail.com (Matthias Paillard)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 22:52:14 +0200
Subject: [kdenlive] Frame by frame editing and using JKL
Message-ID: <CAACbL4EPW4VJ_bUWcg45cZi_qZ34kuH2pysaJDu6_e6nxAyR+w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

First time speaking here, I hope it's okay. I've recently upgraded Kdenlive
with the master PPA and I'm quite glad with the new changes. The work on
this project is amazing. I have even used the old 0.9 something version of
Kdenlive, and loved it.

However, there is one thing I'm still struggling with, that I've kind of
seen talked about on the mailing list, but I have not seen exactly my
problem on the suggestion list.

The thing is, most of my past work have been with FCP7 and FCPX, and like
AVID (which I have never used nonetheless) FCP is great for editing with
only the keyboard. But the problem I have is not with Insert/Replace clips,
no, it's the use of JKL and IO. These shortcuts work, but not quite in the
same way than FCP, which is fine, but still not very intuitive or
responsive. When I press K, I have a two seconds delay, longer that if I
use Space for some reason. J will play backward, but at lot faster than L
(on the last master version I have). I and O work fine though.

And to choose an entry point frame by frame, I have to use the arrows, and
it's still not very responsive. I guess this is due to the fact I work
mostly with H264/AVCHD files, but the frames jumps around and I'm lost
after a few frames.

So my suggestion would be to try to go a more like FCP. Which is:

J : Play backward at normal speed. Play faster if pushed more than one time.
L : Play forward at normal speed. Play faster if pushed more than one time.
K : Pause.
Hold K + J : One frame backward.
HoldK + L : One frame forward.
HoldK + Hold J : 50% speed backward.
HoldK + Hold L : 50% speed forward.

I don't know about others editing software, but for me it was the most
intuitive. Maybe something better can be made, but I believe right now
Kdenlive is not very intuitive to edit frame by frame.

One last thing is the audio. Having the audio to play, even in in reverse,
is really useful. Especially frame by frame. Having the 1/24 second of the
audio to play when seeking frame by frame allows the editor to know exactly
when something hits the ground, or someone talks, etc.

The addition of the waveform and the sound levels in the monitor helps
greatly though, and I'm glad it's here.

-- 
Matthias Paillard

06 81 56 60 27
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From matthias.paillard at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 22:53:29 2016
From: matthias.paillard at gmail.com (Matthias Paillard)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 00:53:29 +0200
Subject: [kdenlive] Frame by frame editing and using JKL
In-Reply-To: <1545ef56aa5.maxstar@tin.it>
References: <1545ef56aa5.maxstar@tin.it>
Message-ID: <CAACbL4EJXR+a+sxZrANsAwow5TmnPbanor+uGtoz5CLuswcZAg@mail.gmail.com>

Well for the audio, it turns out that yes, it does work, and I'm stupid. I
can see why a perfect playback isn't the most useful, but as it is, it's
not really intuitive. But hey, it's my opinion, I can live with the way it
is right now.

As for the frame by frame, even with the arrows, going frame by frame isn't
smooth at all. It kind of jumps between frames on the monitor so I don't
know where I am.

If it works perfectly for you, then maybe it is something with either my
configuration. I'll see what I can do.

Thank your for your answer and your time,

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2016-04-29 0:20 GMT+02:00 maxstar at tin.it <maxstar at tin.it>:

> Hi Matthias, Welcome to the Kdenlive mailing list.
> I'm not the coder so I can't enter in details about bugs but I can say how
> my installation is working.
> Actually I don't what to say about your playback/stop delay because I have
> none of these issues even when I use HD compressed files.
> If I may say something about playback features I must admit that I have a
> slower and not perfectly smooth backward playback at standard speed but
> anyway it's very usable and better than the one I found in several Premiere
> Pro versions.
> For the rest everything works very smooth and without any delays.
> About your suggestions I can say:
>
> J : Play backward at normal speed. Play faster if pushed more than one
> time.
> L : Play forward at normal speed. Play faster if pushed more than one time.
> K : Pause.
> are already enabled on the program exactly the way you indicated and that
> I copied here above.
>
> Hold K + J : One frame backward.
> HoldK + L : One frame forward.
> I never used this combination of keys because as I used mostly AVID and
> Premiere (even if I frequently used FCP too) I took the habit to use the
> arrow keys for moving around frame by frame. (In Premiere and AVID the
> combination  Hold K + J or L doesn't work).
> The arrow keys for moving frame by frame are already well implemented in
> Kdenlive at today.
>
> HoldK + Hold J : 50% speed backward.
> HoldK + Hold L : 50% speed forward.
> These keys combinations (In Premiere and in AVID they are Shift+J or
> Shift+L) are not yet implemented in Kdenlive even if exist already someone
> who asked for them.
>
> For the audio I have to say that the audio scrubbing feature is already
> working very well on my pc by moving frame by frame and also at all speeds,
> forward and backward. I don't know what to tell you about. Maybe it's
> better that you check your installation an if you have set correctly the
> FFmpeg and FFplay libraries in the environment variables in the Kdenlive
> configuration.
>
> I hope I have been useful.
> Let me know if I can help you more and if you were able to fix your issues.
>
> Massimo Stella
>
> ----Messaggio originale----
> Da: matthias.paillard at gmail.com
> Data: 28-apr-2016 22.52
> A: <kdenlive at kde.org>
> Ogg: [kdenlive] Frame by frame editing and using JKL
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> First time speaking here, I hope it's okay. I've recently upgraded
> Kdenlive with the master PPA and I'm quite glad with the new changes. The
> work on this project is amazing. I have even used the old 0.9 something
> version of Kdenlive, and loved it.
>
> However, there is one thing I'm still struggling with, that I've kind of
> seen talked about on the mailing list, but I have not seen exactly my
> problem on the suggestion list.
>
> The thing is, most of my past work have been with FCP7 and FCPX, and like
> AVID (which I have never used nonetheless) FCP is great for editing with
> only the keyboard. But the problem I have is not with Insert/Replace clips,
> no, it's the use of JKL and IO. These shortcuts work, but not quite in the
> same way than FCP, which is fine, but still not very intuitive or
> responsive. When I press K, I have a two seconds delay, longer that if I
> use Space for some reason. J will play backward, but at lot faster than L
> (on the last master version I have). I and O work fine though.
>
> And to choose an entry point frame by frame, I have to use the arrows, and
> it's still not very responsive. I guess this is due to the fact I work
> mostly with H264/AVCHD files, but the frames jumps around and I'm lost
> after a few frames.
>
> So my suggestion would be to try to go a more like FCP. Which is:
>
> J : Play backward at normal speed. Play faster if pushed more than one
> time.
> L : Play forward at normal speed. Play faster if pushed more than one time.
> K : Pause.
> Hold K + J : One frame backward.
> HoldK + L : One frame forward.
> HoldK + Hold J : 50% speed backward.
> HoldK + Hold L : 50% speed forward.
>
> I don't know about others editing software, but for me it was the most
> intuitive. Maybe something better can be made, but I believe right now
> Kdenlive is not very intuitive to edit frame by frame.
>
> One last thing is the audio. Having the audio to play, even in in reverse,
> is really useful. Especially frame by frame. Having the 1/24 second of the
> audio to play when seeking frame by frame allows the editor to know exactly
> when something hits the ground, or someone talks, etc.
>
> The addition of the waveform and the sound levels in the monitor helps
> greatly though, and I'm glad it's here.
>
> --
> Matthias Paillard
>
> 06 81 56 60 27
>
>
>


-- 
Matthias Paillard

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From informatica at actiu.net  Fri Apr 29 08:10:17 2016
From: informatica at actiu.net (Narcis Garcia)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 10:10:17 +0200
Subject: [kdenlive] Frame by frame editing and using JKL
In-Reply-To: <CAACbL4EPW4VJ_bUWcg45cZi_qZ34kuH2pysaJDu6_e6nxAyR+w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <572316E9.20701@actiu.net>

About "One frame backward/forward" I think it's more intuitive as is in
Kdenlive: left and right arrow keys.
Anyway, in the Settings menu, you can configure these concrete Shortcuts.

I suppose more shortcuts should be configurable about play speed and
direction.


El 28/04/16 a les 22:52, Matthias Paillard ha escrit:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> First time speaking here, I hope it's okay. I've recently upgraded
> Kdenlive with the master PPA and I'm quite glad with the new changes.
> The work on this project is amazing. I have even used the old 0.9
> something version of Kdenlive, and loved it.
> 
> However, there is one thing I'm still struggling with, that I've kind of
> seen talked about on the mailing list, but I have not seen exactly my
> problem on the suggestion list.
> 
> The thing is, most of my past work have been with FCP7 and FCPX, and
> like AVID (which I have never used nonetheless) FCP is great for editing
> with only the keyboard. But the problem I have is not with
> Insert/Replace clips, no, it's the use of JKL and IO. These shortcuts
> work, but not quite in the same way than FCP, which is fine, but still
> not very intuitive or responsive. When I press K, I have a two seconds
> delay, longer that if I use Space for some reason. J will play backward,
> but at lot faster than L (on the last master version I have). I and O
> work fine though.
> 
> And to choose an entry point frame by frame, I have to use the arrows,
> and it's still not very responsive. I guess this is due to the fact I
> work mostly with H264/AVCHD files, but the frames jumps around and I'm
> lost after a few frames.
> 
> So my suggestion would be to try to go a more like FCP. Which is:
> 
> J : Play backward at normal speed. Play faster if pushed more than one time.
> L : Play forward at normal speed. Play faster if pushed more than one time.
> K : Pause.
> Hold K + J : One frame backward.
> HoldK + L : One frame forward.
> HoldK + Hold J : 50% speed backward.
> HoldK + Hold L : 50% speed forward.
> 
> I don't know about others editing software, but for me it was the most
> intuitive. Maybe something better can be made, but I believe right now
> Kdenlive is not very intuitive to edit frame by frame.
> 
> One last thing is the audio. Having the audio to play, even in in
> reverse, is really useful. Especially frame by frame. Having the 1/24
> second of the audio to play when seeking frame by frame allows the
> editor to know exactly when something hits the ground, or someone talks,
> etc.
> 
> The addition of the waveform and the sound levels in the monitor helps
> greatly though, and I'm glad it's here.
> 
> -- 
> Matthias Paillard
> 
> 06 81 56 60 27
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> kdenlive mailing list
> kdenlive at kde.org
> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdenlive
> 

From production at jupiterbroadcasting.com  Tue Apr 26 13:22:38 2016
From: production at jupiterbroadcasting.com (JupiterBroadcasting Production Team)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 08:22:38 -0500
Subject: [kdenlive] Interview Request with Kdenlive Developer
Message-ID: <CAMq=nueshQtmvCqLjM1ROxqfW0bdOuSJbF8cOyVrhGAp91OAUw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

My name is Michael Tunnell, producer for Jupiter Broadcasting, and I'd like
to request an interview with a developer of Kdenlive to be featured on one
of our shows.

--
Michael Tunnell
Jupiter Broadcasting
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From maxstar at tin.it  Thu Apr 28 22:20:22 2016
From: maxstar at tin.it (maxstar at tin.it)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 00:20:22 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [kdenlive] R:  Frame by frame editing and using JKL
Message-ID: <1545ef56aa5.maxstar@tin.it>

Hi Matthias, Welcome to the Kdenlive mailing list.
I'm not the coder so I can't enter in details about bugs but I can say how my installation is working.
Actually I don't what to say about your playback/stop delay because I have none of these issues even when I use HD compressed files.
If I may say something about playback features I must admit that I have a slower and not perfectly smooth backward playback at standard speed but anyway it's very usable and better than the one I found in several Premiere Pro versions.
For the rest everything works very smooth and without any delays.
About your suggestions I can say:

J : Play backward at normal speed. Play faster if pushed more than one time.
L : Play forward at normal speed. Play faster if pushed more than one time.
K : Pause.
are already enabled on the program exactly the way you indicated and that I copied here above.

Hold K + J : One frame backward.
HoldK + L : One frame forward.
I never used this combination of keys because as I used mostly AVID and Premiere (even if I frequently used FCP too) I took the habit to use the arrow keys for moving around frame by frame. (In Premiere and AVID the combination  Hold K + J or L doesn't work).
The arrow keys for moving frame by frame are already well implemented in Kdenlive at today.

HoldK + Hold J : 50% speed backward.
HoldK + Hold L : 50% speed forward.
These keys combinations (In Premiere and in AVID they are Shift+J or Shift+L) are not yet implemented in Kdenlive even if exist already someone who asked for them.

For the audio I have to say that the audio scrubbing feature is already working very well on my pc by moving frame by frame and also at all speeds, forward and backward. I don't know what to tell you about. Maybe it's better that you check your installation an if you have set correctly the FFmpeg and FFplay libraries in the environment variables in the Kdenlive configuration.

I hope I have been useful.
Let me know if I can help you more and if you were able to fix your issues.

Massimo Stella



----Messaggio originale----

Da: matthias.paillard at gmail.com

Data: 28-apr-2016 22.52

A: <kdenlive at kde.org>

Ogg: [kdenlive] Frame by frame editing and using JKL



Hi everyone,

First time speaking here, I hope it's okay. I've recently upgraded Kdenlive with the master PPA and I'm quite glad with the new changes. The work on this project is amazing. I have even used the old 0.9 something version of Kdenlive, and loved it.

However, there is one thing I'm still struggling with, that I've kind of seen talked about on the mailing list, but I have not seen exactly my problem on the suggestion list.

The thing is, most of my past work have been with FCP7 and FCPX, and like AVID (which I have never used nonetheless) FCP is great for editing with only the keyboard. But the problem I have is not with Insert/Replace clips, no, it's the use of JKL and IO. These shortcuts work, but not quite in the same way than FCP, which is fine, but still not very intuitive or responsive. When I press K, I have a two seconds delay, longer that if I use Space for some reason. J will play backward, but at lot faster than L (on the last master version I have). I and O work fine though.

And to choose an entry point frame by frame, I have to use the arrows, and it's still not very responsive. I guess this is due to the fact I work mostly with H264/AVCHD files, but the frames jumps around and I'm lost after a few frames.

So my suggestion would be to try to go a more like FCP. Which is:

J : Play backward at normal speed. Play faster if pushed more than one time.
L : Play forward at normal speed. Play faster if pushed more than one time.
K : Pause.
Hold K + J : One frame backward.
HoldK + L : One frame forward.
HoldK + Hold J : 50% speed backward.
HoldK + Hold L : 50% speed forward.

I don't know about others editing software, but for me it was the most intuitive. Maybe something better can be made, but I believe right now Kdenlive is not very intuitive to edit frame by frame.

One last thing is the audio. Having the audio to play, even in in reverse, is really useful. Especially frame by frame. Having the 1/24 second of the audio to play when seeking frame by frame allows the editor to know exactly when something hits the ground, or someone talks, etc.

The addition of the waveform and the sound levels in the monitor helps greatly though, and I'm glad it's here.

-- 
Matthias Paillard

06 81 56 60 27






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From jesse.dubord at gmail.com  Fri Apr 29 17:25:34 2016
From: jesse.dubord at gmail.com (Jesse DuBord)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 10:25:34 -0700
Subject: [kdenlive] Consider new default layout?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.85.1461844824.27304.kdenlive@kde.org>
References: <mailman.85.1461844824.27304.kdenlive@kde.org>
Message-ID: <5723990E.9090807@gmail.com>

@Massimo, Those are some great layouts. I actually changed my Adobe 
Premiere layout to match yours. :)

A while back, I'd purposed in a wishlist bug report 
(https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=359247) to consider setting 
pre-set layouts out of the box with Kdenlive, matching similar Industry 
video editors, but also allowing for custom layouts. That's a little off 
topic from my OP, but I thought it'd be related.

Does anyone else believe the default layout could be improved? If so, 
any ideas to improve it?

- JRD

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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 10:49:01 -0700
> From: Jesse DuBord <jesse.dubord at gmail.com>
> To: kdenlive <kdenlive at kde.org>
> Subject: [kdenlive] Consider new default layout?
> Message-ID: <5720FB8D.3080303 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> Wanted to bring this to the table for discussion. There's an incredible
> amount of great features that Kdenlive has. We all know that. Though,
> after I run the first-time wizard and the program opens up, the layout
> looks.... cluttered. I don't think there's too many widgets open, but I
> think the way they're arranged is a little much. A video editor, I
> believe, should have the video monitors front and center, and the main
> focus of the program.
>
> I know the initial/default layout hasn't really changed really at all (I
> remember it being the same when I used 0.9.6 to teach a class about
> video editing).
>
> Could we possibly open a dialog about considering a new default layout
> for the next release? Am I the only one who thinks this needs a little
> cleanup and/or improvement?
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 01:47:47 +0200 (CEST)
> From: "maxstar at tin.it" <maxstar at tin.it>
> To: <jesse.dubord at gmail.com>, kdenlive <kdenlive at kde.org>
> Subject: [kdenlive] R:  Consider new default layout?
> Message-ID: <1545a1f180e.maxstar at tin.it>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> I don't remember which is the default layout.
> I set on my Kdenlive a custom layout which comes from other softwares (mostly Premiere Pro and Final Cut Pro)
> You can see how I arranged my space here:
> http://s32.postimg.org/4ns498zsl/Kdenlive_Layout_01.jpg
> http://s32.postimg.org/rbbyt54qd/Kdenlive_Layout_02.jpg
> I hope these images wll be useful for a community discussion.
>
> Massimo Stella.
>
>
>
> ----Messaggio originale----
> Da: jesse.dubord at gmail.com
> Data: 27-apr-2016 19.49
> A: "kdenlive"<kdenlive at kde.org>
> Ogg: [kdenlive] Consider new default layout?
>
> Wanted to bring this to the table for discussion. There's an incredible
> amount of great features that Kdenlive has. We all know that. Though,
> after I run the first-time wizard and the program opens up, the layout
> looks.... cluttered. I don't think there's too many widgets open, but I
> think the way they're arranged is a little much. A video editor, I
> believe, should have the video monitors front and center, and the main
> focus of the program.
>
> I know the initial/default layout hasn't really changed really at all (I
> remember it being the same when I used 0.9.6 to teach a class about
> video editing).
>
> Could we possibly open a dialog about considering a new default layout
> for the next release? Am I the only one who thinks this needs a little
> cleanup and/or improvement?
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From evorster at gmail.com  Fri Apr 29 17:28:56 2016
From: evorster at gmail.com (Evert Vorster)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 19:28:56 +0200
Subject: [kdenlive] Consider new default layout?
In-Reply-To: <5723990E.9090807@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.85.1461844824.27304.kdenlive@kde.org>
 <5723990E.9090807@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAER78vTgjn17M_MPgxGxmgmrXaUPW_50_9RZShh+Fxpdbip+dQ@mail.gmail.com>

Ah, a hot topic.

I suppose everyone would say that their layout is the best, and give
reasons.
As outlined in the bug, some sane defaults and an unlimited amount of saved
layouts would be an awesome feature, and pretty low hanging in terms of
coding difficulty.

We could even have a little competition where we upload our layouts
somewhere, and vote on them

-Evert-

On 29 April 2016 at 19:25, Jesse DuBord <jesse.dubord at gmail.com> wrote:

> @Massimo, Those are some great layouts. I actually changed my Adobe
> Premiere layout to match yours. :)
>
> A while back, I'd purposed in a wishlist bug report (
> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=359247) to consider setting pre-set
> layouts out of the box with Kdenlive, matching similar Industry video
> editors, but also allowing for custom layouts. That's a little off topic
> from my OP, but I thought it'd be related.
>
> Does anyone else believe the default layout could be improved? If so, any
> ideas to improve it?
>
> - JRD
>
> On 04/28/2016 05:00 AM, kdenlive-request at kde.org wrote:
>
>> Send kdenlive mailing list submissions to
>>         kdenlive at kde.org
>>
>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>         https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdenlive
>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>         kdenlive-request at kde.org
>>
>> You can reach the person managing the list at
>>         kdenlive-owner at kde.org
>>
>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>> than "Re: Contents of kdenlive digest..."
>>
>>
>> Today's Topics:
>>
>>     1.  Consider new default layout? (Jesse DuBord)
>>     2.  R:  Consider new default layout? (maxstar at tin.it)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 10:49:01 -0700
>> From: Jesse DuBord <jesse.dubord at gmail.com>
>> To: kdenlive <kdenlive at kde.org>
>> Subject: [kdenlive] Consider new default layout?
>> Message-ID: <5720FB8D.3080303 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>
>> Wanted to bring this to the table for discussion. There's an incredible
>> amount of great features that Kdenlive has. We all know that. Though,
>> after I run the first-time wizard and the program opens up, the layout
>> looks.... cluttered. I don't think there's too many widgets open, but I
>> think the way they're arranged is a little much. A video editor, I
>> believe, should have the video monitors front and center, and the main
>> focus of the program.
>>
>> I know the initial/default layout hasn't really changed really at all (I
>> remember it being the same when I used 0.9.6 to teach a class about
>> video editing).
>>
>> Could we possibly open a dialog about considering a new default layout
>> for the next release? Am I the only one who thinks this needs a little
>> cleanup and/or improvement?
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 01:47:47 +0200 (CEST)
>> From: "maxstar at tin.it" <maxstar at tin.it>
>> To: <jesse.dubord at gmail.com>, kdenlive <kdenlive at kde.org>
>> Subject: [kdenlive] R:  Consider new default layout?
>> Message-ID: <1545a1f180e.maxstar at tin.it>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>>
>> I don't remember which is the default layout.
>> I set on my Kdenlive a custom layout which comes from other softwares
>> (mostly Premiere Pro and Final Cut Pro)
>> You can see how I arranged my space here:
>> http://s32.postimg.org/4ns498zsl/Kdenlive_Layout_01.jpg
>> http://s32.postimg.org/rbbyt54qd/Kdenlive_Layout_02.jpg
>> I hope these images wll be useful for a community discussion.
>>
>> Massimo Stella.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----Messaggio originale----
>> Da: jesse.dubord at gmail.com
>> Data: 27-apr-2016 19.49
>> A: "kdenlive"<kdenlive at kde.org>
>> Ogg: [kdenlive] Consider new default layout?
>>
>> Wanted to bring this to the table for discussion. There's an incredible
>> amount of great features that Kdenlive has. We all know that. Though,
>> after I run the first-time wizard and the program opens up, the layout
>> looks.... cluttered. I don't think there's too many widgets open, but I
>> think the way they're arranged is a little much. A video editor, I
>> believe, should have the video monitors front and center, and the main
>> focus of the program.
>>
>> I know the initial/default layout hasn't really changed really at all (I
>> remember it being the same when I used 0.9.6 to teach a class about
>> video editing).
>>
>> Could we possibly open a dialog about considering a new default layout
>> for the next release? Am I the only one who thinks this needs a little
>> cleanup and/or improvement?
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From rod at naiteon.com  Fri Apr 29 14:31:45 2016
From: rod at naiteon.com (Rodrigo Teixeira)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 11:31:45 -0300
Subject: [kdenlive] Kdenlive on Ubuntu 14
Message-ID: <57237051.6080303@naiteon.com>

Hi guys,

I am trying to find a way to install the latest Kdenlive on ubuntu 14.04.

So far I've only found repositories for ubuntu 15+.

I am not a newcomer ubuntu user so if i only were given guidance on what 
libraries are outdated on Ubuntu 14 I think I can solve it.

I have a huge project on kdenlive 9 that needs a refactor and I'd 
benefit a lot of the latest feature (sharing data across projects).

Help me :)


Rod


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From vpinon at kde.org  Sat Apr 30 08:23:20 2016
From: vpinon at kde.org (Vincent Pinon)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 10:23:20 +0200
Subject: [kdenlive] Kdenlive on Ubuntu 14
In-Reply-To: <57237051.6080303@naiteon.com>
References: <57237051.6080303@naiteon.com>
Message-ID: <5477843.suffzX9Qjv@pad>

Hello Rodrigo,

Kdenlive > 0.9.x need KDE Frameworks 5 libraries, which are not available in Ubuntu < 15.04.
Rebuilding all KF5 stack (+Qt5) is overkill, so it's better to switch to new Ubuntu LTS 16.04.
You can upgrade the OS or install it to a new partition (shrinking an existing one), on an external drive, in a virtual machine, in a chroot...
14.04 is becoming too old in the fast changing FOSS world, and recent versions are safe to use (not breaking anything).

Vincent

Le vendredi 29 avril 2016, 11:31:45 CEST Rodrigo Teixeira a écrit :
> Hi guys,
> 
> I am trying to find a way to install the latest Kdenlive on ubuntu 14.04.
> 
> So far I've only found repositories for ubuntu 15+.
> 
> I am not a newcomer ubuntu user so if i only were given guidance on what 
> libraries are outdated on Ubuntu 14 I think I can solve it.
> 
> I have a huge project on kdenlive 9 that needs a refactor and I'd 
> benefit a lot of the latest feature (sharing data across projects).
> 
> Help me :)
> 
> 
> Rod