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<DIV>Hi :)</DIV>
<DIV>I didn't mind answering the survey : I did it.. and at the end had no button to send it ?</DIV>
<DIV>Who did make such a useless survey ?</DIV>
<DIV>I fear those people aren't competent !</DIV>
<DIV>and i don't like my email to be full of rubbish !</DIV>
<DIV>cheers</DIV>
<DIV>Henri</DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message -----
<DIV>From: "Anne-Marie Mahfouf" <<A href="mailto:annemarie.mahfouf@free.fr">annemarie.mahfouf@free.fr</A>></DIV>
<DIV>To: <<A href="mailto:eva.brucherseifer@basyskom.de">eva.brucherseifer@basyskom.de</A>>; <<A href="mailto:kde-women@kde.org">kde-women@kde.org</A>></DIV>
<DIV>Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 11:55 PM</DIV>
<DIV>Subject: Re: [Kde-women] KDE Desktop Usability Survey</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>> On March 29, 2005 04:16 pm, Eva Brucherseifer wrote:<BR>> > Dear Annma,<BR>> ><BR>> > can you please inform me, why you think so?<BR>> > As far as I know, the kde-women list is mainly crowded by users of the KDE<BR>> > desktop. Thus the subscribers are the perfect target for a usability test<BR>> > as the HASE group perfoms.<BR>> > Usability is an essential topic for KDE and a fundamental part of usability<BR>> > engineering is the performance of (costly) usability surveys with real<BR>> > users. It gives important input to the give tips based on _real_ data. Of<BR>> > course they also want the input of women too, don't you think so?<BR>> > I am very glad that the KDE project finally manages to attract also<BR>> > contributors from the usability world.<BR>> ><BR>> > Greetings,<BR>> > eva<BR>> <BR>> This group has spammed all the KDE mailing lists so first this is an
<BR>> aggressive tactic. That means I got at least 10 same mails from them.<BR>> Secondly, this survey is not about usability at all. It says it is but in <BR>> reality it is not. The questions are badly formulated, the same survey is <BR>> done for GNOME and Windows and the results are not guaranteed to reach us <BR>> (no timeframe is defined, I asked the HASE people). This will not bring any <BR>> useful hint at all nor is it conducted scientifically with a representative <BR>> panel of KDE users. <BR>> I would not call those questions a 'survey' myself.<BR>> <BR>> If a real survey is to be done by serious people, of course I would invite the <BR>> most users to take it. This is not the case, please have a deeper look at <BR>> it . Last time we had a survey proposal on this list, we found out that the <BR>> results would not be free. I have no time to browse the archives but youcan <BR>> have a look. What I would like is to free this
list from that kind of mail.<BR>> <BR>> Usability is very good but usability is NOT done with that kind of surveys. <BR>> Usability is done first through the KDE Usability mailing list and website <BR>> and also with OpenUsability.org which has a very good team.<BR>> Usability should try to define a HIG for KDE.<BR>> I am the first one very interested in usability and indeed I asked for <BR>> usability reports for KHangMan (I can say that a usability expert wrote one <BR>> of the best usability reports in KDE, see<BR>> <A href="http://edu.kde.org/khangman/usability.php">http://edu.kde.org/khangman/usability.php</A>)<BR>> and KLettres and I improved many aspects of my software after these reports. <BR>> We are working for usability guidelines for KDE-Edu, mainly with <BR>> OpenUsability.org.<BR>> <BR>> Maybe this is why I am shocked to see this 'survey' in all mailing lists and <BR>> even on the Dot, as if it is something important. It
minimizes the real work <BR>> of people doing real usability improvements. It mislead users who think they <BR>> participate to making KDE better. So from my point of view, it's damaging.<BR>> <BR>> Free software projects such as KDE are now the target of all sort of studies, <BR>> that's fine but that's not PART of KDE. Those 2 people (acronyms as HASE are <BR>> catchy but well, this is a 2 people team), while belonging to a US <BR>> university, are maybe not usability experts at all. We don't know their area <BR>> of expertise nor their previous work. From what I see, they sent a misleading <BR>> mail with misleading information (they imply they will help KDE, they don't <BR>> mention the surveys for GNOME and Windows, those surveys are not visible <BR>> through their website if you don't know the links). The same person can <BR>> indeed take the survey twice or more from the same machine. All that does not <BR>> strike me as very
professional and I would not acknowledge any fact obtained <BR>> through such a process. Maybe a script could fill and send several forms.<BR>> <BR>> Maybe some people from this list if they have 15 minutes to loose could take <BR>> this survey and share their impressions.<BR>> <BR>> My impressions are negative and I react because I care about usability. Real <BR>> usability.<BR>> <BR>> Anne-Marie<BR>> <BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> kde-women mailing list<BR>> <A href="mailto:kde-women@kde.org">kde-women@kde.org</A><BR>> <A href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-women">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-women</A><BR>> </DIV><p>
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