<p dir="ltr">Hello,</p>
<p dir="ltr">Sticking to the items pointed by Aleix, in my humble opinion:<br>
- We want KDE on Windows to keep being a distribution? Should it be a development platform or a site to download installers?<br>
*We are both a distribution (installer) and a development platform (emerge) and I think we should keep being both. I've been playing with kde-windows development for a while, mostly in my small-free-spare-time to fix one or another bug or feature in some applications of my interest. We're a very small team and only a small part of this team is involved in packaging (I'm not). Being a small team makes it difficult to keep a good documentation on techbase to help newcomers find their way with the development environment (we have techbase and userbase pages but they are rarely updated). I've never played with KDE development outside of Windows, but once when I tried building KDE software with BSD Ports I ran into problems very similar to what people use to report about emerge, so I think IMHO it's more a matter of getting used to the tool (sure emerge has bugs to be fixed but they're not a major problem). The other problem I see is that we don't have CI, sometimes it's tiresome to fix the very same bugs again and again, because they're not reproducible in gcc/linux and we don't have a proper documentation on what to avoid for better cross-platform (e.g. templates vs. forward declarations, exports/imports)</p>
<p dir="ltr">- Do we want to focus on applications?<br>
*Yes, we've been always focused on applications, plasma-desktop works more like a proof-of-concept built isn't really usable. </p>
<p dir="ltr">- What's the Plasma role in KDE Windows?<br>
*As a user I install kde-workspace mostly because of oxygen :) If plasma itself could get more love I think it could get into a more usable state :). Particularly I'd like to write a wrapper to KDE launcher to make it a DeskBand (like ClassicStart8 and similar to Chrome's launcher) since windows 8 and 8.1 don't have a good start menu (people say it'll be back on win9) I'm just trying to find more free time to work on it.</p>
<p dir="ltr">- What frameworks to we want supported on Windows? [1]<br>
*Most of them, except those Unix specific like KPty. For X11 specific stuff, if there is a Wayland way, there is probably also a Windows way too.</p>
<p dir="ltr">- How has Windows changed since 4.0 release<br>
Certainly more mature and stable. I use lots of the base apps at work (Kate, dolphin, konqueror) and I'm also starting to use more complex ones like Kexi.<br>
KF5 modularity will help addressing the issue of having to install tons of dependencies for a single app, but since windows is not like a distro that includes common packages we will still have some overhead because of those extra packages. </p>
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On 04/03/2014 03:41 AM, Jaroslaw Staniek wrote:<br>
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I find people expect native installers on windows, be it exe or msi. If you ask I'd look at priorities to see what apps to maintain on Windows, look what type of app is otherwise unavailable on Windows/Mac. Krita or Kexi comes as example. For apps that exist on Windows/Mac already and are hugely popular, like web browsers or text editors (Notepad++ which is FOSS), porting KDE equivalent (Kate) still can happen but mostly if there's special interest at KDE side. I do not expect particular popularity just because the app comes from KDE, expect when other ported apps benefit from them as components (here: Kate part). <br>
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I guess I'm at least partly to blame for this discussion. I happen to like Kate, as I'm familiar with it, and not with Notepad++, but in my original post, I mentioned<br>
specifically something you can't get on Windows, AFAIK, even if you pay for it: KSnapshot. A single app that lets you save a piece of the screen and print it<br>
all from the same app, without having to open another app and paste and then print. But it doesn't work. It would be nice if you folks would fix it. There's something<br>
fundamentally dumb about the snipping Tool!<br>
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I think there's a huge space for discussion there and now it's the moment<br>
when it should take place, so that we can plan the bigger picture by taking<br>
Windows into account.<br>
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Aleix<br>
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