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I think people took my mostly tongue in cheek <rant> a little
too seriously I meant what I said, but the cheeky part was adding
the <rant> tags I now wish I hadn't It seemed to make people
take my words to heart.<br>
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Let me get one thing absolutely clear. The development work everyone
has done on both KDE and KMyMoney is absolutely outstanding. I
cannot comment on other stuff as I am not across it. My comments
about the emerge system being fragile does not take away from it. It
would be nice to have some more documentation, particularly pointing
out the difference between kdewin emerge and gentoo emerge. online
searches can result in a lot of confusion.<br>
<br>
Unfortunately KDE itself as has been pointed out by others is
perhaps not so windows friendly. As for KDE Frameworks 5 I have only
heard about it a few days ago and while I did do a fair bit of
searching as to what it does I am still pretty unclear. If it
separates out some of the purely KDE stuff from the more portable
stuff then that is excellent.<br>
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My thoughts on your head popping questions...<br>
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<div>>> Some questions pop in my head:</div>
<div>>> - We want KDE on Windows to keep being a distribution?
Should it be a development platform or a site to download
installers?<br>
You will get more uptake if windows developers can work on their
platform. This means more cross pollination and better testing and
more importantly more developers. <br>
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<div>>>- Do we want to focus on applications?<br>
Is there another reason to port KDE to windows?<br>
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<div>>>- What's the Plasma role in KDE Windows?<br>
Windows is windows. If people want the plasma desktop they would
install linux and use it. I personally do not think it is worth
making a priority. but I dont know how tightly integrated it is
with other parts of KDE<br>
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<div>>>- What frameworks to we want supported on Windows? [1]<br>
>>- How has Windows changed since 4.0 release?<br>
I cannot comment meaningfully on the above. this little project of
mine is a return to C++ windows programming for me after years in
the php wilderness<br>
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To me this is all about the applications. Windows users are
starved of good open source alternatives. Though that has changed
significantly over the last few years. <br>
When users realise all their favourite applications are actually
open source apps they may then look at making a more permanent
switch.<br>
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Even I am not quite there but that has a lot to do with my day to
day job.<br>
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Might I also add. While as linux developers you are all used to
using a command line driven build process. Windows developers are
not so used to it. The whole cmake based buld system can be
awfully overwhelming. When it works it works just great. When it
doesn't its a case of "WTF. Why won't this stupid thing find that
xyz library its right there in the bin folder!!!!"<br>
<br>
If the steep learning curve could be kept in mind it would
certainly help people like me (an old dog trying to learn new
tricks) stay sane.<br>
<br>
Chris<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/04/2014 12:20 PM, Aleix Pol wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CACcA1RqPR7Z+vf56=kwrRt8+kfhGccp6jX0BxkPXPWpuK=88PA@mail.gmail.com"
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<div dir="ltr">Hi,
<div>To be honest, I didn't expect people to use the occasion
for ranting. We all know it's been hard to do multiplatform
development on kdelibs 4, that's for granted. That's why some
of us went through kdelibs and made it become the KDE
Frameworks 5. It's been a massive project, and we've done it
for cases like KDE Windows.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I think we should take this occasion to take a step back
and re-consider the project. Let's figure out how we want
things to work, what we liked from what we used to have and
what we didn't.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Some questions pop in my head:</div>
<div>- We want KDE on Windows to keep being a distribution?
Should it be a development platform or a site to download
installers?</div>
<div>- Do we want to focus on applications?</div>
<div>- What's the Plasma role in KDE Windows?</div>
<div>- What frameworks to we want supported on Windows? [1]</div>
<div>- How has Windows changed since 4.0 release?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I think there's a huge space for discussion there and now
it's the moment when it should take place, so that we can plan
the bigger picture by taking Windows into account.</div>
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<div>Aleix</div>
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<div>[1] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://community.kde.org/Frameworks/List">http://community.kde.org/Frameworks/List</a></div>
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