Hey,<div><br></div><div>thanks for getting in touch!<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 6:50 PM, Sam Hewitt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hewittsamuel@gmail.com" target="_blank">hewittsamuel@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Sam Hewitt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hewittsamuel@gmail.com" target="_blank">hewittsamuel@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I would agree (with less vehement) with George that single windowed chat applications are the way to go -see: Skype, most iOS, Android applications, and the direction GNOME wants to go with Empathy/Chat. </blockquote>
</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>iOS and Android apps have completely different form-factors and as such cannot really be compared with desktop chat applications (moreover, you still have two different intents (or however is that thing called) - one with the list and one with the chat). As for Empathy/Gnome - uhm...are we going to remove our shutdown button next? ;)</div>
<div><br></div><div>I can also give you handful of other (maintained) apps that will not go into that direction, most prominent being Pidgin and PSI.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hence this design:<div>
<br></div><div><a href="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/7027392/kde-telepathy-single-window.png" target="_blank">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/7027392/kde-telepathy-single-window.png</a><br><div><br></div><div>Preferably to myself, having the single-window mode as an option for users would be nice, if not fully one or the other.</div>
<div><br></div><div><b>A case for single window mode:</b></div><div><br></div><div>1. The single window mode would simplify the interface dissolving the need for tabulation or windows upon windows; the integration with the contact list would allow it to not only organize contacts buy provide a way of organizing chats. </div>
<div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That's not entirely true; the tabulation would still be there, just moved to a different place. What contacts organization you have in mind? What chats organization you have in mind?</div>
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<div><div>2. The addition of a new message count into the contact list would help with chat organization; prioritization of the contacts by unread message count (in addition to the user's choice of organization) would serve in place of the old method -clicking the contact in the list view opens the chat view for that contact.</div>
<div><br></div><div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yup, we have been slowly working towards exactly this. However you still need the "old method" for those that haven't sent you any message ;)</div>
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<div><div>3. In terms of behaviour of the window, when no chats are active it would appear as just the contact view, opening a chat extends the window and toolbar and the chat view appears -simplification of the toolbar would make this work -the addition of a "collapse" option in the chat view toolbar would effectively close an open chat.</div>
<div><br></div><div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>As I stated under the picture - this breaks fundamental design and goal of KDE Telepathy. Not that it cannot be changed/reviewed...however given our modular design, this can be put together quite easily. Maybe we can have both interfaces?</div>
<div><br></div><div>Also I wonder if users really want this "new awesome trend". In the three years we haven't received a single report/wish/message to consider this.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>4. Notifications and panel entry (or whatever) urgency would notify the user of incoming messages.</div>
<div><br></div><div>P.S. My vote for a new name is Konverse ;)</div><div><br></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>What vote for a new name? We didn't start any vote nor we are going to (also it's a bit rude to come to a project and start suggesting new names :P)</div>
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<div><div></div><div>Cheers,</div>
<div><br></div><div>Sam</div><div><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Georgi Karavasilev <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:motorslav@gmail.com" target="_blank">motorslav@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>So, I and Sam Hewitt have been working on UI overhaul for KDE-Telepathy and here is what we have:</div><a href="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/7027392/kde-telepathy-single-window.png" target="_blank">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/7027392/kde-telepathy-single-window.png</a><div>
<a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/100530892038948253747/Hermes#5796541629370248226" target="_blank">https://picasaweb.google.com/100530892038948253747/Hermes#5796541629370248226</a><br><div>Changes include:</div><div>
<ul><li>Single window mode</li>
<li>Refined toolbar</li><li>Improved chat pane design</li><li>More</li></ul>I (George) have been having a bit of dicsussion about the single window mode with <a href="https://plus.google.com/u/0/101026761070865237619" rel="nofollow" style="color:rgb(51,102,204);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:18px;background-color:rgb(248,248,248)" target="_blank">Martin Klapetek</a> and I gotta say that for me (can't say about Sam) the single window mode is a must have, this means that if you decide to nuke that from the design you'll have only Sam to talk with. Why is single window mode a must have - because you currently have two windows - a main Contact window and a chat window with tabs for different chats. This means that A) you can run out of tabs space sooner or later B) Having to manipulate one window is easier than two.</div>
</div><div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Question is - how often you need to manipulate the contact list? I personally start a chat from it and close it/hide it, so it's not getting into my way. I don't need it anymore, so why would I want to keep it visible all the time?</div>
<div><br></div><div>Cheers</div></div>-- <br><div><span style="color:rgb(102,102,102)">Martin Klapetek | KDE Developer</span></div><br>
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