Well put, Kimmo S. Thank you for you thought out response.<br><br>Konqueror's hard-to-replicate crashes shouldn't be the issue at hand, but rather a re-thinking of how Konqueror(/KDE) will better serve the users. I am aware that there have been many topics and posting on this topic and it is a goal for KDE4 to be more "usable" and sport a holistic and employed HIG. Personally, I am excited that these type of discussions have now been commonplace in the kde mailing lists. Hurrah!
<br><br>Vlad<br><br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 10/24/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Kimmo Sundqvist</b> <<a href="mailto:kimmo.sundqvist@mbnet.fi">kimmo.sundqvist@mbnet.fi</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
On Monday 23 October 2006 00:43, Lex Hider wrote:<br><br>> Thanks for the feed back. The most appropriate action to take is to file<br>> bugs for the problems that you find with KDE.<br><br>My two cents on this.<br>
<br>The name of this mailing list has a some kind of holistic ring to it. "If<br>there is something wrong or odd in the whole KDE, on the overall KDE<br>experience, but you can't put your finger on it exactly, then this is the
<br>list to discuss things out and find names for problems."<br><br>The reusable component architecture in KDE is really considered one of its<br>strongest selling points. It has to do with power, meaning what the users are
<br>able to do with it. But it is also easy to forget the user experience in all<br>those possibilities.<br><br>I recently used OS X for a couple of minutes. Compared to Kubuntu, what I felt<br>using it was the level of integration. OS X Finder feels like one well
<br>thought out piece. It feels powerful because everything is easily accessible,<br>and the user feels that he can try things out and not do anything damaging or<br>end up in a situation where it is hard to get back.<br>
<br>Rule: the user should be encouraged to try things out.<br><br>Rule: whatever user is encouraged to try, he should easily be able to get back<br>to the exact previous state he was in.<br><br>Rule: the things to try out should be easy to classify, compare and place into
<br>a wider context.<br><br>Rule: the user should be able to easily enough grasp the limits of his<br>possibilities. And he should be able to easily see the possibilities.<br><br>It does not matter how much more powerful KDE (konqueror) is under the hood.
<br>It makes me feel helpless, and I use it only when I must to. Having used OS X<br>only that one single time, and only those ten minutes, it immediately felt<br>like I had the thing in my hands, and I could easily find my way around.
<br><br>KDE is integrated, technically. But user-experience-wise, it is not. Neither<br>is Gnome. I only use Gnome on my day to day system because it has the feeling<br>that it gets less in my way. It has less of a personality than KDE. I can use
<br>it if I have to, and so could I use KDE, but Gnome is easier to forget when<br>you don't want to be aware of it.<br><br>Do not say "KDE can do thing x" or "Gnome can do thing y" or "OS X can do
<br>thing z." Say instead, "desktop a feels easier than desktop b, but desktop c<br>feels like it is a seamless extension of my thoughts, whereas a and b are<br>only different levels of difficulty."<br><br>
UI design and "putting interesting pieces together" are opposites. Evolution<br>and design are also opposites. Like the linux kernel, all open source<br>software "evolves" in a way that it is being designed bit by bit, and then
<br>these pieces of design are "evolved", i.e. thrown together.<br><br>When the said open source project has "evolved" too much or too far, it is<br>time for a rewrite, and that really, emphatically means, redesigning it. Qt4
<br>is, in essence, a redesign of qt3. GTK2 is, in essence, a redesign of GTK1.<br>Linux kernel 2.x is a redesign of kernel 1.x and I could go on forever.<br><br>I'm not saying anything else than that we should all acknowledge the meaning
<br>of design. And that, by saying that "linux has not been designed, linux has<br>evolved", Torvalds was at least half wrong.<br><br>Imagine what Finder would look like with NFS and CIFS and whatever<br>connectivity included. Imagine, what would be same, what would be different,
<br>compared to Konqueror? I expect musings on this, as I still think this is<br>the "holistic" all around feel and experience mailing list.<br><br>If this is not, then please, do find (start) one. An open source feel and
<br>experience GUI thinktank mailing list. And rename this list to<br>kde-dev-beginner if it really means that.<br><br>I am sorry if I offend someone with this, though that would only prove that<br>the someone was not listening to me.
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