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<p style="margin-top: 0;">On October 21st, 2015, 7:41 a.m. UTC, <b>Heiko Tietze</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Looks very nice. But the question is whether or not users understand the status quickly and if the dropdown menu is clear enough (the eye is a toggle button). The alternative solution is just a radio button group below the input, which is furthermore easily accessible by disabled people.</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">I'd place the "ask everytime" option as the first item since it is the default.</p></pre>
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<p>On October 21st, 2015, 8:06 a.m. UTC, <b>Jan Grulich</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Having a radio button group below each password field would make it heavy I would say. I'm trying to remove as much visible components I can to make it more simple.</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">The "ask everytime" option is not the default option, the default option should be to store secrets for the current user which should store secrets to KWallet.</p></pre>
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<p>On October 21st, 2015, 9:58 a.m. UTC, <b>Lamarque Souza</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">I agree with Jan that radio button group would pollute the ui. Talking about the default option, wouldn't be better make "Always Ask" the default for VPN connections? I know that is not consistent with the current default, but VPN is kind of a special case since usually whoever is using it is more concerned about security than convenience. By the way, good job at improving Plasma NM.</p></pre>
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<p>On October 21st, 2015, 10:55 a.m. UTC, <b>Jan Grulich</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">I agree, using "always ask" as default for VPN connections is something we should consider. </p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">And thanks, plasma-nm is my passion so I don't have to force myself to make it better :).</p></pre>
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<p>On October 21st, 2015, 11:24 a.m. UTC, <b>Thomas Pfeiffer</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">I guess the source of the miscommunication between Heiko and you is that the screenshot you chose is the simples scenario possible. In the case WPA & WPA 2 Personal (PSK) there is indeed just that one field, and plenty of space to put a radio button group right in the dialog.
I assume what you are worried about are the more complex security setting scenarios, where the dialog is already full of fields and controls anyway, and I can understand why you don't want to put even more stuff in those dialogs.</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">While I agree with Heiko that many users may not even notice the option at all, I don't think that's a big problem as long as the default option is a safe one.</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">I have a few other concerns, though.
1. Are the passwords stored in NM encrypted? I guess not, in which case this has to be made clear to the user, because it increases the security risk. Although this makes the label quite long, I'd put "(not encrypted)" at the end, and "encrypted" behind the single-user option. Security-relevant information has to be made available to the user.
2. With the option "ask every time", the password is not stored at all, right? So why would I enter a password in the dialog, only to then tell the software to not store it? That does not really make sense, since this is not the place where you connect for the first time. For consistency, I'd vote for having a "store password" checkbox before the password field, like in most other places where one has the option to store a password, and to only enable the field when that checkbox is clicked
3. "everytime" is not an English word, it has to be "every time"
4. It has to be "for all users"</p></pre>
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<p>On October 21st, 2015, 11:34 a.m. UTC, <b>Jan Grulich</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">1) Yes, when they are stored in NM then they are not encrypted. I'll add the info there.
2) In case you select "ask every time" you don't need to put there your password because the password field will be disabled. This gets even more complicated in case where you have to specify that the password is not required at all (e.g. necessary for GSM or CDMA) so checkbox for enabling the password field probably won't work and again adds an element which doesn't need to be there, at least I would like to keep it that way.
3-4) I'l fix this.</p></pre>
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<p>On October 21st, 2015, 11:40 a.m. UTC, <b>Jan Grulich</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Updated screenshot:
<img alt="Image description" src="https://jgrulich.fedorapeople.org/nm-password-options2.png" style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: normal;" /></p></pre>
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<p>On October 21st, 2015, 11:50 a.m. UTC, <b>Heiko Tietze</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">So I can choose that the password is irrelevant? Weird :-) (just disable dropdown)
Since none of you responded about accessibility I'd like to bring this issue once again on the table. People who cannot use the mouse will not be able to change the type of storage. Of course, you may consider it as acceptable drawback of a nice solution.</p></pre>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">The "This password is not required" option is a problem. I said that the bad discoverability of the option is not a big problem as long as nobody actually <em style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: normal;">has</em> to change the option. In that case, however, it would be required to change it in order to keep the dialog from complaining that the field is empty, right? So we need to find a different solution, or we'll end up with frustrated users who cannot save their settings for a connection that does not need a password because they don't know where they can set it. </p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Actually, this is a problem with both "This password is not required" and "Ask for this password every time" (which I'd rename to "Do not store password", now that I'm reading it again): You have an option which disables a field, but it's positioned <em style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: normal;">after</em> the field. Since people will go through the form from left to right, they will notice the option (if they notice it at all) only <em style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: normal;">after</em> seeing the password field and thinking that they will have to fill it in. This breaks the workflow.</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Heiko is right about the potential accessibility problem. However, this is relevant not only for this option but also for the visible password option (that's relevant for a screenreader as well, isn't it?). So is there a way to access those inline buttons via keyboard?</p></pre>
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<p>On October 21st, 2015, 6:12 a.m. UTC, Jan Grulich wrote:</p>
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<div>Review request for Network Management, KDE Usability and Lamarque Souza.</div>
<div>By Jan Grulich.</div>
<p style="color: grey;"><i>Updated Oct. 21, 2015, 6:12 a.m.</i></p>
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<a href="http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340707">340707</a>
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<b style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt;">Repository: </b>
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<h1 style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt; margin-top: 1.5em;">Description </h1>
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<pre style="margin: 0; padding: 0; white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">I took again inspiration from nm-connection-editor and extended our editor to allow to users select password storage. Now each password field has an option to either store password to all users (store it to NM) or to current user (store it to KWallet) or do not store it at all (user will be prompted) or tell NM that the password is not required at all (available only for some connection types). Also during transformation of strongswan vpn plugin I found out that strongswan shouldn't support password storing at all (according to NM plugin) so I removed it accordingly.</p>
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<img alt="Screenshot of new options" src="https://jgrulich.fedorapeople.org/nm-password-options.png" style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: normal;" /></p></pre>
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<li>vpn/strongswan/strongswanauth.h <span style="color: grey">(d23947d)</span></li>
<li>vpn/strongswan/strongswanauth.cpp <span style="color: grey">(f034abe)</span></li>
<li>vpn/strongswan/strongswanprop.ui <span style="color: grey">(06fb254)</span></li>
<li>vpn/strongswan/strongswanwidget.h <span style="color: grey">(7204ff5)</span></li>
<li>vpn/strongswan/strongswanwidget.cpp <span style="color: grey">(094e81e)</span></li>
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