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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font face="monospace">(Please see
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</font>René J.V. Bertin wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">On Sunday September 14 2014 20:17:55 Anne & Larry Brunelle wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Fink actually seems to be keeping more up to date than mentioned
here, with coverage up thru Mavericks, and that reported to use
Xquartz only. The KDE4 version I could get was 4.14. KDE applications
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If they propose KDE 4.14 on top of X11, there's either something amiss in their dependency checking, OR they figured out how to get Qt >4.7.x to build against X11. Again, can you post the Qt version you got through Fink, please?
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<font face="monospace">Looks to me to be a number of packages named
qt4-base-mac-<something><br>
all with a version number 4.8.6-2 (which may be a Fink package
version,<br>
not sure), and theoretically including backward compatibility for
Qt 3.<br>
Not sure how much this tells you.<br>
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<pre wrap="">seem present - konsole works, badly, and not apparently under Xquartz,
or at least not in a root window.
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That would be consistent with it being a Cocoa app. Check the menubar when konsole is running - what's the name in the Application menu (the one right next to the Apple menu)?
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<font face="monospace">That's merely "konsole". You get the same
when you invoke it<br>
from an xterm in a root window - kicks you out of the root<br>
window to give focus to konsole, but does not kill the (nearly<br>
featureless twm) root window.<br>
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<pre wrap="">Looks like I should see whether there's a way to use KDE3? The KDE
desktop and konsole have been my working environment for years (even
under Cygwin when compelled to use Windows by whichever firm), and
all this is surprising.
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No, it's not really surprising. OS X is not a simple icing on a standard Unix cake (not anymore, if ever it was). It's not an emulator like Cygwin either. Cygwin indeed lets applications you build on it believe you're on a kind of Unix/Linux, but still allows (has to!) software to treat it differently. Maybe that Qt has no reason to do so when you build it under Cygwin, or maybe they decided/realised that people who take the trouble to do so are looking for a Qt/X11 implementation. That's just not the case with OS X: Qt aims to give a native experience there. And that's quite unsurprisingly in line with their mission statement...
I'm less sure whether KDE has that kind of mission statement where cross-platform aspects are concerned... even for platforms much closer to Linux like OpenSolaris ...
Maybe you should tell us more what exactly you're looking for, and what your constraints are. What are the applications you use, aside from those that make up the desktop (or that you'd be using if you got logged in to a Gnome/Unity/whatever-non-KDE desktop without noticing)?
Are you "compelled to use" OS X and looking for a way to get around that and run your KDE 4 SC environment? </pre>
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<font face="monospace">OK. I'll give a short history, and what I
find important that KDE has provided.</font><br>
<font face="monospace">I develop software targeting Unix server-side
platforms, using C++ and the<br>
various Unix tools. At home we are a "Linux shop" with some Macs
as well<br>
(Windows, rarely used, being confined to a VM cage if/when used).
Employers seem<br>
fond of Windows, which Cygwin sorta-kinda overcomes. Back in the
10.2-10.4 days,<br>
I'd also done some Mac development, targeting the Mac as another
Unix box needing<br>
the daemon we were building. Across all of these environments, I
could get a <br>
(relatively) consistent KDE desktop, which I find productive. As
you may imagine,<br>
I can USUALLY figure out what I have to do to configure something.<br>
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What's most important to me:<br>
o A more-or-less "standard", yet full-featured X11 environment<br>
o Multiple desktops to organize work<br>
o Xemacs<br>
o konsole, which I find more useful than most xterm solutions<br>
o Of lesser importance, but still useful, are the various "little"
KDE apps.<br>
o For common office work, Firefox, OpenOffice/LibreOffice, GIMP,
Inkscape -<br>
none of these need be fussy about underlying platform, but it'd
be nice<br>
if I didn't have to flip in and out of X11/had good cut'n'paste
between.<br>
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For work, I presently have a Windows 7 box containing a Win 7 VM
running<br>
Cygwin/KDE 3, which addresses the targets through a VPN. I have
the opportunity<br>
to switch to a Mac, which no doubt also will contain a VM running
a Mac image.<br>
I had hoped to provision in this an X11 KDE desktop similar to the
KDE 4<br>
desktops on our Linux boxes. I have been trialing the setup on on
of our<br>
Macs at home, hence my inquiries. The Mac would be predictably
more reliable<br>
and require less in the way of updates than the Windows box, and I
hoped the<br>
native X11 would be less complex and offer slightly better
performance than<br>
what I have now (performance is not such a big deal). If I had
my druthers,<br>
I'd use a Linux image, but not at all sure corporate would allow
it. I had<br>
rather expected KDE would still offer a desktop, but it's not so
much looking<br>
like it on this platform.<br>
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Sorry to run on so, and thanks!<br>
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<pre wrap="">That's not a supported configuration on OS X, at the moment. You can go quite a way with KDE apps running in native Cocoa mode, but you won't get the full Plasma desktop because too much of it depends on X11 ... but through Qt.
You can run Linux in a (full screen) VM as Ian mentioned, but then you'd not really be working on a Mac anymore, if indeed you're compelled to.
Or indeed you could try KDE3, if that's an option for you. I wouldn't count on it being very much supported or even tested, though....
R.
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