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Anne Wilson wrote:
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<pre wrap="">On Friday 11 September 2009 06:14:40 Duncan wrote:
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<pre wrap="">AG posted on Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:25:14 +0100 as excerpted:
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<pre wrap="">Anne Wilson wrote:
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<pre wrap="">The system tray icon is korgac only. If you want korganizer to be
instantly available you have to minimise it to the Task Manager.
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<pre wrap="">I am using Gnome as my DE with my preferred KDE applications within
that environment. I never experienced any problems
with KMail nor Korganizer until relatively recently, and I have not
changed my user behaviour over the last six or so months with respect to
these applications. On the basis of this, I can but conclude that the
apps are not "behaving" according to my user expectations.
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<pre wrap="">I've no idea what gnome offers in this regard, but on KDE, it's possible
to set a window to minimize to the systray. That appears to be what
you're after.
Meanwhile, yes, kde4 is still broken in a number of ways compared to
kde3, and in other ways it's not broken, simply changed behavior (by
design). So while I don't use korganizer, I'm not surprised at all that
it's not working the way it did for you formerly. /As/ I don't use it, I
don't know if it's a bug or a deliberate design change, but as I said,
there's a decent number of both in kde4. I have no idea what the devs
are thinking saying kde4 is ready for ordinary users, when important
things like security certificate management is still simply broken, but
that's what they're saying now. Every version is vastly improved, from
the previous, and to be fair, part of the problem is that kde is so big
and kde3 had set such a high standard, that really /nobody/ could be
reasonably expected to have brought a new version up to kde 3.5 standards
in the time so far, but that doesn't change the fact that kde3 is losing
support both from kde upstream and from distributions, well before kde4
is even close. A reasonable expectation given the rate of change would
be that 4.5, probably August of next year, will finally hit the kde 3.5
mark, but meanwhile, there's a serious gap in quality, functionality and
usability from kde3.5.
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<pre wrap="">If I need to change my user behaviour to accommodate some changes within
the apps themselves, then so be it, but I woyuld need to know what it is
that I am supposed to be doing differently ... and at this point this
isn't clear to me.
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<pre wrap="">Well, at least you're being more flexible than many would be. =:^)
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<pre wrap=""><!---->Let's try and simplify this - because you (AG) are using gnome, neither Duncan
nor I are familiar with your situation, so we need to be clear. You will need
to help us know what the gnome equivalents of some things are.
First, as we have already discussed, korgac runs in the background, watching
out for events where you have set an alert. By default it sits in your system
tray (gnome equivalent?). You can't do anything with it, in fact I set it to
not show on the system tray. I confess that I can't remember how I did that -
probably from a right-click context menu?
Now, KOrganizer. Let's start again. Tell us exactly how you want it to
behave, and we'll see whether it can be made to do that.
Anne
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Hello Anne (& Duncan)<br>
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My sole point of reference for this is from the days of KDE3.5 -
although a recent upgrade to KDE4 did behave in a similar fashion -
where, regardless of the DE/WM I used (Xfce4, GNOME, LXDE) the
application (I have always clicked on or used a script to invoke)
Korganizer would quietly sit in the system tray (on the panel near the
clock - I'm happy to use a screen shot if this list allows
attachments?) and if I wanted to add a new appointment, I would single
left click on the icon (used to be a picture of an old hand bell and a
chart/calendar) and this would open up the organiser. I'd set an
appointment and then close (not minimise!) the application and it would
return to sitting quietly until either I deliberately clicked on it
again, or an alert triggered it and it would pop up with a reminder.<br>
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I'm not sure what else I can say really. As I've already said, I
didn't realise there was something called korgac and if that was a
daemon that powered/ supported Korganizer then I was happily oblivious
to it. It was not something I have ever deliberately invoked before.<br>
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If a screen shot would help ensure we are talking about the same thing
(albeit perhaps with different terms), then that will be easy to
arrange. In the meantime, I'll scout around and see if I can find an
alternative and look to transfer my reminders, etc. over to the new
app. It could well be that I borked something when I attempted to
obtain Amarok 2.2 from Debian Experimental and a load of KDE libraries
were (incompletely) pulled in as well. Hence, I may just have to
remove KDE and reinstall the KDE-Base and that may clear up the
problem. <br>
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Thanks for your kkind offer of help. Much appreciated both of you.<br>
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Best<br>
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AG<br>
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