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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">El motiu per esborrar els webs de la
      variant valenciana està explicats en la proposta original [1] i
      aclarit en un correu posterior [2].</div>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Però la idea bàsica és donar una visió
      d'unitat al català (valencià, balear, etc.) i evitar crítiques
      negatives a la comunitat KDE. No té sentit que critiquem l'Agència
      Tributaria, RENFE i multitud d'altres webs que ofereixen el català
      i el valencià com si fossin idiomes diferents i nosaltres fem el
      mateix a KDE. Els sectors secessionistes lingüístics s'estan
      fregant les mans.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Quan es podria procedir a l'eliminació
      proposada? <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Salutacions,</div>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Josep M. Ferrer<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">[1]
      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-i18n-ca/2022-October/005800.html">https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-i18n-ca/2022-October/005800.html</a></div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">[2]
      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-i18n-ca/2022-October/005807.html">https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-i18n-ca/2022-October/005807.html</a><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">El 13/10/22 a les 15:07, Antoni Bella
      Pérez ha escrit:<br>
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        Hola,
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      <div>  El motiu per a esborrar els webs és?<br>
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        <div>  Sempre en les preferències de l'aplicació, digue'ns quina
          empresa i podrem ser més específics.<br>
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              <div>On dj., d’oct. 13, 2022 at 12:58, Joan Maspons</div>
              <div><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:joanmaspons@gmail.com"><joanmaspons@gmail.com></a> wrote:</div>
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                    <div>Em sembla bé la proposta d'eliminar les
                      traduccions de la variant valenciana de les webs.</div>
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                    <div>Sabeu com funciona la selecció d'idioma en
                      funció de les preferències del navegador en el cas
                      que l'usuari hagi escollit català de València?
                      Mostra la pàgina en català? (ja se que ho puc
                      provar però si algú ja ho te configurat... mínim
                      esforç)<br clear="none">
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                    <div dir="ltr" class="yiv5878153109gmail_attr">Missatge
                      de Josep M. Ferrer <<a rel="nofollow noopener
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                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext">txemaq@saragata.net</a>>
                      del dia dc., 12 d’oct. 2022 a les 12:28:<br
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                          <div>El 12/10/22 a les 0:25, Antoni Bella
                            Pérez ha escrit:<br clear="none">
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                              Hola,
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                            <div>  Bé! A mi m'ha sonat molt fort. Sí.</div>
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                            <div>  Al tema:</div>
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                            <div>  Totes les web han estat acordades com
                              que es podien fer.</div>
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                            <div>  Digueu-me algun URL trencat, perquè
                              en les meves indagacions tot funciona. Si
                              no n'informen estem arreglats.</div>
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                          <p>Per exemple, a la pàgina <a rel="nofollow
                              noopener noreferrer" shape="rect"
                              target="_blank"
                              href="https://ghostwriter.kde.org/ca-va/"
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://ghostwriter.kde.org/ca-va/</a>,
                            hi ha els enllaços de la part inferior
                            esquerra (p. ex. «Plasma Mobile») que dona
                            un 404. Però hi ha altres exemples amb la
                            mateixa problemàtica.</p>
                          <p>I la solució, al meu parer, no és traduir
                            més pàgines web a la variant valenciana, com
                            explico més endavant. <br clear="none">
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                            <div>  El tema de seleccionar l'idioma
                              sempre veig Català (Valencià) a través del
                              menú.</div>
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                          <p>El problema està aquí: quan a la pàgina
                            original en anglès se selecciona l'idioma,
                            apareixen entre altres idiomes el «Català» i
                            el «Català (Valencià)», com si fossin
                            idiomes diferents. Aquest fet, trenca la
                            unitat del català i dona arguments al
                            secessionisme lingüístic. <br clear="none">
                          </p>
                          <p>De la mateixa manera que tothom es queixa
                            que la web de l'Agència Tributària (<a
                              rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer"
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                              href="https://sede.agenciatributaria.gob.es/"
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://sede.agenciatributaria.gob.es/</a>)
                            o CaixaBank (<a rel="nofollow noopener
                              noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank"
                              href="https://www.caixabank.es/"
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.caixabank.es/</a>)
                            entre d'altres, diferencien entre català i
                            valencià, a KDE passa el mateix: diferenciem
                            entre el català i el valencià. <br
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                          <p>Per això, i per tornar a donar una idea
                            d'unitat de l'idioma, la meva proposta era
                            eliminar les pàgines web en valencià (ca-va)
                            dels llocs web de KDE. I modificar el text
                            de selecció d'idioma a Català/Valencià.<br
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                          <p>Salut,</p>
                          <p>Josep M.<br clear="none">
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                            <div>  El Falkon no disposa d'IGU en
                              valencià (com molts programes basats en
                              les Qt), si voleu fer força per la llengua
                              fora bo que us apunteu a l'informe d'error
                              i que hi feu alguna sol·licitud.</div>
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                            <div>  Hi ha molt marge per a millorar, però
                              crec que les web que cal mantenir només en
                              català ja ho estan. Mencioneu-ne alguna
                              també.</div>
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                            <div>  Per contra. Seria bo alguna
                              col·laboració amb nivell C o < que
                              revisi el català de la web (faig el record
                              que el traductor no pot ser el revisor,
                              qüestions de qualitat). La primera plana
                              és el fonament de tot en la Comunitat KDE;
                              així com a GNU/Linux, FreeBSD, Windows,
                              MacOS, Android, etc.</div>
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                            <div>  Toni<br clear="none">
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                                  <div>On dt., d’oct. 11, 2022 at 22:10,
                                    Josep M. Ferrer</div>
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                                    wrote:</div>
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                                      <div>Jo deixaria la política de
                                        banda, ja que no té (gairebé)
                                        res a veure i no és objecte
                                        d'aquesta llista. És un tema
                                        bàsicament lingüístic.</div>
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                                      <div>Només aclarir que quan jo
                                        parlava de «sectors
                                        secessionistes» em referia a
                                        sectors secessionistes
                                        lingüístics (veure [1] i
                                        sobretot [2]). Lamento no haver
                                        afinat més. <br clear="none">
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                                      <div>Salut,</div>
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                                      <div>Josep M. Ferrer<br
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                                      <div>[1] <a rel="nofollow
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href="https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secessionisme_ling%C3%BC%C3%ADstic_valenci%C3%A0"
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                                      <div>El 11/10/22 a les 21:28,
                                        Antoni Bella Pérez ha escrit:<br
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                                          Hola,
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                                        <div>  Comentaris polítics?
                                          Espero una resposta...</div>
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                                        <div>  Toni<br clear="none">
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                                              <div>On dt., d’oct. 11,
                                                2022 at 16:43, Aleix Pol</div>
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                                                wrote:</div>
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                                              rgb(109,0,246);"> On Tue,
                                              Oct 11, 2022 at 3:02 PM
                                              Josep M. Ferrer <<a
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                                              wrote:
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                                                > Hola llista,<br
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                                                > de tots els llocs
                                                web de KDE [0] que es
                                                poden traduir [1], n'hi
                                                ha alguns que estan
                                                traduïts a la variant
                                                valenciana [2]. Com que
                                                la traducció a la
                                                variant valenciana és
                                                incompleta, alguns
                                                enllaços no funcionen.<br
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                                                ><br clear="none">
                                                > Per altra banda, el
                                                fet que existeixin
                                                traduccions d'aquestes
                                                webs a la variant
                                                valenciana és un
                                                atemptat contra la
                                                unitat de la llengua, i
                                                un argument a favor dels
                                                sectors secessionistes.<br
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                                                ><br clear="none">
                                                > La meva proposta
                                                per solucionar aquests
                                                inconvenients seria
                                                eliminar les traduccions
                                                de la variant valenciana
                                                de les webs de KDE. I
                                                opcionalment, si es vol
                                                millorar i donar
                                                visibilitat a la unitat
                                                de la llengua, indicar
                                                Català/Valencià al
                                                desplegable a on es tria
                                                l'idioma de la traducció
                                                de la web.<br
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                                                > Com ho veieu?<br
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                                                > Salutacions,<br
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                                                > Josep M. Ferrer<br
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