<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"><title></title><style type="text/css">.felamimail-body-blockquote {margin: 5px 10px 0 3px;padding-left: 10px;border-left: 2px solid #000088;} </style></head><body>Am 06.12.2013 14:58:32, schrieb Björn Balazs:<br><blockquote class="felamimail-body-blockquote">Kai Uwe pointed me to the fact that Windows 8 is using something like that, <br>e.g. [1].<br><br>[1] http://blogs.technet.com/b/next/archive/2012/11/12/little-details-windows-8-passwords.aspx<br></blockquote><p> </p><p>Personally, I'd like to have this behavior and design too. But to play the advocatus diaboli: </p><p>* Inline features have bad accessibility. A check box is always equipped with a label and a thereby a short-cut. We have to add some kind of easter egg for keyboard access like F9 to toggle masking on/off.</p><p>* At least the W8 style icon does not have the affordance to get clicked. Novices might read it as plain information that something is set or not. Okay, a tool-tip is always a working indicator but perhaps we should think about a real speed button.</p><p>* Toggle buttons are not preferred controls. We state in the HIG "...But toggle buttons should be used with care outside a toolbar because the state is not clearly indicated". <br></p><p><br></p><p>Two other questions are discussed in this thread (at least):</p><p>1. Double password input on creation. We don't want to get bothered by meaningless controls. Solution 1 is to toggle password visibility and to omit the repetition, solution 2 to only show the second input in case of masking. Both are bad and have obvious trade-offs. When I think about when a new password is generated, only the first time a system is installed comes in my mind. So I recommend to keep the guideline as it is.</p><p>2. Persistence of last masking. I read the postings like Thomas as a strong acceptance for always have mask active. </p></body></html>