<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"><title></title><style type="text/css">.felamimail-body-blockquote {margin: 5px 10px 0 3px;padding-left: 10px;border-left: 2px solid #000088;} </style></head><body>Am 05.06.2013 09:31:12, schrieb Aurélien Gâteau:<br><blockquote class="felamimail-body-blockquote">On Saturday 01 June 2013 11:16:32 Heiko Tietze wrote:<br>> Am Freitag, 31. Mai 2013, 23:24:07 schrieb Thomas Pfeiffer:<br>> > I agree with Aurélien here: I don't think HIGs are the place for<br>> > introducing major changes. Right now almost all KDE applications place<br>> > labels on the side so if the HIG says they should be placed above, it<br>> > would be completely out of sync with reality.<br>> <br>> Of course, we do not want to introduce changes. But I think both layouts are<br>> used to the same extend by now. I found only a few check boxes with<br>> additional left caption.<br>> <br>> Horizontal layout:<br>> +/- less vertical space<br>> - heavy rework necessary<br>> - boring design<br>> <br>> Tabular design:<br>> - probably trouble with RTL (I still think the alignment interferes with the<br>> orientation) and localizations (text length matters)<br><br>I don't think there are alignment problems with RTL, because Qt is smart <br>enough to swap alignments in RTL, but I may be missing what you are saying.<br><br>Note that you can try any Qt or KDE application in RTL mode by starting it <br>with "-reverse", so for example to try KWrite in RTL mode, run:<br><br> kwrite -reverse<br><br>> + good way of identification (in terms of branding)<br>> + well established (?)<br>> <br>> More pluses for tabular design, but...<br>> <br>> > Yes, we could indeed make a distinction here, like<br>> > "In places that are far taller than wide (such as sidebars) place labels<br>> > above controls instead of on the left"<br>> <br>> ...this exceptions are very important. It's not only the vertical space<br>> limitation currently.<br>> <br>> While looking through dialogs I just found another strange implementation:<br>> checkbox with line breaks. This applys to alignment, IMHO. "Do not add line<br>> breaks for single line controls like radio button and check box."<span id="felamimail-body-signature"><br></span></blockquote><p><br></p><p>The check box thread gets confusing. And I'm afraid we have to deal with layouts for some time.<br></p><p><br></p><p>xpete's remark: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=96374 and http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=97608</p><p>TP: http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Usability/HIG/SOU_Workspace/Administer_Themes<br></p><blockquote class="felamimail-body-blockquote"><span id="felamimail-body-signature"><br></span></blockquote></body></html>