<p>there is nothing happening in kdegames anymore. The module is dead. The only thing to do is restore interest by creating new and exiting and MODERN framework that would let people create innovative games, not reinvent the wheel every time.</p>
<p><blockquote type="cite">On Jun 11, 2010 12:38 PM, "Parker Coates" <<a href="mailto:parker.coates@kdemail.net">parker.coates@kdemail.net</a>> wrote:<br><br><p><font color="#500050">On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 06:07, Mauricio Piacentini wrote:<br>
> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Frederi...</font></p>I had half started a big reply, but for the most part I found myself<br>
just repeating what Frederik said. I have to say I'm in full agreement<br>
with him.<br>
<p><font color="#500050"><br>>> - Apply some formal process to decision-making in the module. It can<br>>> be online voting (we hav...</font></p>Honestly, I don't feel we have a real need for a formal decision<br>
making system. The major issue with our current system (this mailing<br>
list) isn't it's lack of formality, it's a lack of opinions expressed<br>
altogether. Other than maybe the discussion about removing games, I<br>
can't really think of a recent case where there was an issue with<br>
strong conflicts of opinion that would have been easier to resolve<br>
with a formal vote.<br>
<br>
Deciding who doesn't get to vote would also be a very unpleasant<br>
process, easily leading to guilt in those who must decide to exclude<br>
people and a lost sense of belonging for those who are excluded. KDE<br>
and KDEGames are ultimately meritocracies where those who do the work<br>
decide, so I don't think there's a real need for formal consensus. In<br>
the past our system has been:.<br>
<br>
1. Someone raises an issue that they're interested in/concerned<br>
with/looking to implement.<br>
2. People give a bunch of opinions/suggestions/warnings/etc and<br>
possibly volunteer to help out. Not all of this input necessarily even<br>
comes from core contributors.<br>
3. The person takes that all into consideration, but ultimately<br>
makes a decision themselves and goes to work.<br>
<br>
What I think we're lacking most is the second step. Twice in the 4.5<br>
cycle I was keen to go ahead with the KBattleship/KTron renaming. Both<br>
times, there was a call for opinions and then a meagre response. I'm<br>
not trying to make excuses; I really should have just pushed ahead<br>
with the limited feedback we had, but it can be hard to find the<br>
motivation to make a change like this when you aren't certain that you<br>
really know that the majority of the community approve.<br>
<p><font color="#500050"><br>> Manpower is a problem. But I think that having no active coordination<br>> is something that is a bi...</font></p>I think another fairly major issue (and one that's not all that<br>
pleasant to talk about) is that fact that not everybody actually likes<br>
all the games. For a single example, I don't like KBattleship. It's<br>
not that there's any major problem with the application itself or with<br>
the concept of the game. It's just a matter of personal taste that I<br>
don't find it entertaining. So if I see an easy crash reported against<br>
KBattleship, I'll probably take to look to see if I can easily fix it.<br>
But if someone requests (or provides a patch for) a new feature, a new<br>
name, a behavioural modification or a graphical change, I'm more<br>
hesitant to jump in. As someone who doesn't actually play or even<br>
enjoy the game, it can be hard to judge what would be an actual<br>
improvement for those who do. I don't really have a solution to this<br>
problem (other than having an active and engaged maintainer for every<br>
game), but I think it's an important one to consider when talking<br>
about a lack of involvement.<br>
<p><font color="#500050"><br>> Looking back, I think our decision to make frequent IRC meetings was<br>> THE best one during the 4....</font></p>I think regular meetings are a great idea. Even if they don't end up<br>
being a big deal and if we only have a couple of quick items to<br>
discuss, I think getting together regularly just helps to keep the<br>
feeling of community alive.<br>
<p><font color="#500050"><br>> I will be at Akademy (just confirmed it) during the first four days as well.<br></font></p>I will not be at Akademy, unfortunately. Airfare costs (in combination<br>
with recently quitting my job on a whim to go back to school) mean<br>
that it's not really a wise financial move at this point.<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
Parker<br>
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