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<p style="margin-top: 0;">On December 4th, 2015, 10:35 a.m. CET, <b>Chusslove Illich</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;">The KI18N_INSTALL macro is also used by KI18n itself, to install its own translations. And so do other higher-tier frameworks. So I'm not sure when this no-Gettext/no-Python build is supposed to be useful. When one wants to omit translations?</pre>
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<p>On December 4th, 2015, 11:08 a.m. CET, <b>Boudewijn Rempt</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">I <em style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: normal;">never</em> install translations. Where would I install them from? Running "make install" in ki18n doesn't install translations, as far as I can see? I thought translations get installed by the distribution, or I package them manually for Windows and OSX. </p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">So, when I build Krita on OSX or Windows, I first need to build the dependencies, and ki18n is one of them, but because it mixes up translation management with providing the translation framework an application uses. So why should I build Python and Gettext and QtQML for parts of this framework that never get executed?</p></pre>
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<p>On December 4th, 2015, 11:28 a.m. CET, <b>Chusslove Illich</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;">For me "make" does build translations using msgfmt, and builds some other translation-related files using a Python script, and "make install" installs those built files.
Something is definitely going wrong if QtQML is seen as dependency. What is needed is QtScript, and that is a real dependency, used at runtime by translations. It can be disabled, but that will cause degradation in quality of some translations.</pre>
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<p>On December 4th, 2015, 11:33 a.m. CET, <b>Chusslove Illich</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;">Hm, where do you fetch the frameworks to build from? If from the Git repositories, there are no translations there. But the release tarballs do contain translations.
Only Applications are released with separate translation packages. (Which I think is not a good thing, but hell...)</pre>
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<p>On December 4th, 2015, 11:35 a.m. CET, <b>Boudewijn Rempt</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Always from git.</p></pre>
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<p>On December 4th, 2015, 12:05 p.m. CET, <b>Chusslove Illich</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;">If you are fetching and installing translations manually by taking only PO files, that will leave any scripted translations not working. Nothing will crash, but lower quality fallbacks will be used. If you want to support also scripted translations, you should fetch and install any modules from script/ subdirectories of translations in the repository.
Regarding this patch, I don't see it as appropriate, since it would basically allow for broken treatment of translations when building release tarballs. Better just add it to be applied in your build setup. I know, not nice when something changes and the patch needs to be updated, but it's the less bad alternative.</pre>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">@Chusslove, that might make it harder for people to port applications to Windows though. (Or Android for that matter)</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Maybe we can find an in-between compromise solution? In the end building translations is something that only happens when you're about to release.</p></pre>
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<p>On December 4th, 2015, 1:17 a.m. CET, Boudewijn Rempt wrote:</p>
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<div>Review request for Build System, KDE Frameworks, Aleix Pol Gonzalez, Chusslove Illich, and Luigi Toscano.</div>
<div>By Boudewijn Rempt.</div>
<p style="color: grey;"><i>Updated Dec. 4, 2015, 1:17 a.m.</i></p>
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ki18n
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<h1 style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt; margin-top: 1.5em;">Description </h1>
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<pre style="margin: 0; padding: 0; white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">When building ki18n as a dependency framework for shipping with an application, the tools to actually create and manage translations are superfluous. These tools have some big dependencies that are a pain to have around, especially gettext on Windows. This patch makes the requirement for Python and Gettext optional.</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">This patch checks the BUILD_TESTING variable to see if the autotests should be built, because when we just need the library to build an application we shouldn't waste electicity building the tests (and the Qt5::QML dependency).</p></pre>
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<li>CMakeLists.txt <span style="color: grey">(59917fa)</span></li>
<li>cmake/KF5I18NMacros.cmake <span style="color: grey">(53ba812)</span></li>
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