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<p style="margin-top: 0;">On March 20th, 2015, 8:07 a.m. CET, <b>Martin Gräßlin</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">as in other similar requests: -2 from my side</p></pre>
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<p>On March 20th, 2015, 8:09 a.m. CET, <b>Martin Gräßlin</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">To extend: I think the way is wrong. If it now builds on MacOS the required is wrong. It should be an optional find_package properly ifdefed.</p></pre>
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<p>On March 20th, 2015, 1:37 p.m. CET, <b>Christoph Cullmann</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Actually, you don't want that it is optional as you really don't want that it ever is found on MacOS. If you install an XQuartz for legacy apps, it will be found, and you will have a completly mess as result ;=)</p></pre>
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<p>On March 20th, 2015, 1:59 p.m. CET, <b>Martin Gräßlin</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Christoph, that argument is wrong. The same would be the case with Windows and any other platform which optionally offers X11 (this includes Linux!). CMake can handle the situation quite well to disable an unwanted build dependency. If a user installs XLib headers (which is not the same as just installing XQuartz) we should expect the user to disable the cmake build option.</p></pre>
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<p>On March 20th, 2015, 2:02 p.m. CET, <b>Christoph Cullmann</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">That means that nobody will get a senseful build on Mac, if he doesn't disable that optional dependency. Thats the opposite of a normal optional dependency, that leads to missing features if not found but not complete mess if found.
I tried to compile frameworks stuff on Mac, and IMHO, really, that makes it close to unusable, that you need to tweak each cmake call just to have something usable, if you have too much stuff installed. I never had to do that on Linux/Other Unices.</p></pre>
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<p>On March 20th, 2015, 2:05 p.m. CET, <b>Martin Gräßlin</b> wrote:</p>
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<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">That means that nobody will get a senseful build on Mac</p>
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<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">What since when is XLib as a build dependency available by default on OS X?</p></pre>
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<p>On March 20th, 2015, 2:08 p.m. CET, <b>Christoph Cullmann</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Actually, if you work with Frameworks there, you will install something over MacPorts or Homebrew, and yes, you will have XQuartz installed, to run some legacy apps and there is really no user understandable way to install XQuartz without its devel headers, the .dmg will just install everything, I was suprised myself that I have X devel headers just by installing an X-Server. My first workaround was just to deinstall XQuartz, later I started to tweak CMake options or do exactly the same fixes as above. And yes, I think, per default, without any magic options, frameworks should just build to a usable state. And I see 0 reason to ever have even an optional "with x11" build of an frameworks application. But I might be wrong. Therefore I don't vote here or say ship it, just wanted to state my concerns ;=)</p></pre>
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<p>On March 20th, 2015, 2:54 p.m. CET, <b>Martin Gräßlin</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">my concern is that we make our CMakeLists.txt way more complex (it's not the only framework which recently saw such a proposed change) and work around broken systems in our CMakeLists. That's something I do not want to see - if the downstream packaging sucks, it needs to be fixed there. We would tell the same to every Linux distribution.</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">I do not want to see such OS specific changes go in as X11 is not OS specific - all operating systems we support in KDE can provide X11 and on all OS there are alternative windowing systems. What I don't want to see is something like:
if (NOT APPLE AND NOT WINDOWS AND NOT LINUX_ANDROID AND NOT LINUX_UBUNTU_PHONE AND NOT LINUX_SAILFISH AND NOT LINUX_WEBOS AND NOT ...</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">if we start with one platform, where do we end? Is adding the check for Apple OK and Windows not?</p></pre>
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<p>On March 20th, 2015, 2:58 p.m. CET, <b>Christoph Cullmann</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">We could wrap the X11 search in a own module that will not do anything on Apple, to avoid the if stuff.
On the other side, even with the if, it still avoids that we have some combinations feasible in the frameworks, that we need will not test anyway, e.g. apple + X11.
That avoids complexity, too. Actually I would be OK do have the same for WIN, too, yeah, still better than a code path that you can configure in, that actually will not work.</p></pre>
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<p>On March 20th, 2015, 3:19 p.m. CET, <b>Martin Gräßlin</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">I'm not worried about the code paths - everything X11 specific should be runtime wrapped anyway in a if (QX11Info::isPlatformX11()). If not: that needs fixing.</p></pre>
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<p>On June 13th, 2015, 1:36 p.m. CEST, <b>Marko Käning</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">What's the status of this one?</p></pre>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">well my point is still the same: we shouldn't work around broken systems in our build system.</p></pre>
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<p>- Martin</p>
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<p>On March 19th, 2015, 11:59 p.m. CET, Harald Fernengel wrote:</p>
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<div>Review request for KDE Frameworks and Michael Palimaka.</div>
<div>By Harald Fernengel.</div>
<p style="color: grey;"><i>Updated March 19, 2015, 11:59 p.m.</i></p>
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