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<p style="margin-top: 0;">On Juni 26th, 2014, 7:29 vorm. UTC, <b>Thomas Lübking</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;">this is however not ABI relevant, so depending on schedules one *could* wait for some specified NETWM hint (to not cruft the lib with the gtk+ prop symbol: removing it from the enum is oc. not API stable, thus not possible) and be introduced even with KWin 5.0.3 or whatever the final name scheme will be ;-)</pre>
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<p>On Juni 26th, 2014, 7:32 vorm. UTC, <b>Martin Gräßlin</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;">yeah I'm fine with delaying to post 5.0 in frameworks. Means KWin 5.0 will not have full support for it. But if it gets into KWindowSystem 5.1 we can still add it in a minor KWin relase (and get killed by distros for increasing requirement in a minor release :-P ).</pre>
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<p>On Juni 26th, 2014, 7:53 vorm. UTC, <b>Thomas Lübking</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;">if this is causing downstream dep issues, maybe a generic NETRootInfo::setSupported(const QString property) might be a good idea?</pre>
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<p>On Juni 26th, 2014, 8:01 vorm. UTC, <b>Martin Gräßlin</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;">could be something to look into for 5.1, good idea.</pre>
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<p>On November 29th, 2014, 7:41 nachm. UTC, <b>David Edmundson</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">5.1 has been and gone. What's the status of this?</p></pre>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">There hasn't even been a request from gtk+ devs to get this into NETWM.
I was about to rant that the GTK ("gnome first") devs give a damn about interoperability and expect to "run after us!", but google (wanted to be sure ;-) pushed up
http://people.freedesktop.org/~cbrill/dri-log//dri-devel-2014-05-08.log</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">"07:45 #wayland: < Jasper> mgraesslin, whenever I send mails to wm-spec-list I don't get any replies, so I stopped bothering"</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">"Jasper" is apparently the one who added support to mutter.</p>
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<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">@Martin
I would suggest to either declare NETWM dead XOR formalize the board.</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Eg. one would define a "high council" consisting of the maintainers of the relevant™ WMs (KWin, Mutter, Openbox and Enlightenment for sure. Compiz IFFFFFF Canonical promises to behave. Eventually awesome? I probably forgot an obvious one) an setup some rules.</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">a) A proposal of a high council member w/o veto of any other HC member within 21 days is in.
b) A proposal of a non member that has seen no reaction from high council or delegates within 21 days causes reposts with increasing frequence.
c) New features MUST be announced as supported by the WM, ignoring that hint and just expecting it is a client bug by definition.
d) A proposal containing the term "should" or any equivalent is auto-invalid ;-)</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">I'd also suggest to move from wm-spec-list@gnome.org to sth. like netwm@lists.freedesktop.org and/or have a fdo bugzilla bugtracker for handling concerns/proposals.</p></pre>
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<p>- Thomas</p>
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<p>On Juni 26th, 2014, 7:22 vorm. UTC, Martin Gräßlin wrote:</p>
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<div>Review request for KDE Frameworks and kwin.</div>
<div>By Martin Gräßlin.</div>
<p style="color: grey;"><i>Updated Juni 26, 2014, 7:22 vorm.</i></p>
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<h1 style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt; margin-top: 1.5em;">Description </h1>
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<pre style="margin: 0; padding: 0; white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;">Adding property _GTK_SHOW_WINDOW_MENU to NET::Properties2
Although non-standard it needs to be added to the NET::PRoperties2
in order to have KWin announce it in the supported section.
As soon as this gets standardized WM2ShowWindowMenu can be changed
to point to both the proprietary GTK hint and the standardized hint.</pre>
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<li>autotests/netrootinfotestwm.cpp <span style="color: grey">(f8c28be51e5a5b19d436c54eede0e8659a65c84e)</span></li>
<li>src/netwm.cpp <span style="color: grey">(1daad1e5fc87fa85da6348a059d0ae0acec26eaf)</span></li>
<li>src/netwm_def.h <span style="color: grey">(0edadc085e08531ec81bcde5651e8475e8573091)</span></li>
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