<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Wolfgang Romey <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hier@wolfgangromey.de" target="_blank">hier@wolfgangromey.de</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>> That's only not a problem because of tablets, same thing happens with<br>
> laptops and PC's in general. This case is less of a moving target at the<br>
> moment, but still problematic.<br>
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</div>That is interesting. Can you name the reasons?<br></blockquote><div>No. I have ideas, but they are not better than anybody else's. Michael Jackson did put it simply, though [1].</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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> I don't think it's a manpower problem though, FOSS communities are<br>
> well-known for failing at driving hardware development and getting the<br>
> industry pushing it on board. Like you said, there's been some success<br>
> stories regarding "libre" hardware like Ardunio or RPi, but these are also<br>
> not really something we can offer to end-user like our manifesto [1]<br>
> suggests.<br>
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</div>So it could be offered by an organisation next to KDE with intense connections<br>
to KDE? For me the RPi and the Fairphone show, that it is much easier to make<br>
things possible, if you have a foundation backing you or via crowdfunding.<br>
Maybe one is found or crowfunding is tried seriously.<br>
I think the concept of Rhombus tech as written down on their website for use<br>
in education is really innovtive, so it would be great, if it would become<br>
possible.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Synergies are always welcome. I definitely would love having a device that I know I can try to get things working without being told "yes, we know it's a problem, but we don't think this is going to be fixed". But then I know some people tried before without luck. </div>
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> I will be happy to see any reactions as well. Personally, I see it as a<br>
> perpetuating problem and different projects failing to solve them for<br>
> different reasons. Probably because we're offering projects, not products.<br>
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</div>I eagerly expect reactions too, as I would like to know, if and where I am<br>
wrong.<br>
I have an samsung smartphone and a samsung tablet, where for example marble<br>
and Kstars are not running. Both were running on my weTab. But what i miss<br>
most, is plasma activ. Android seems to me oldfashioned in comparison to<br>
Android. What makes me angry,is that I can not get rid of too much<br>
preinstalled software, which wants to grab my personal data.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Personally, what bothers me the most is that we're incapable of running on different platforms and I'm actively [2] working on ways to solve that without turning our development process apart. I don't think we should disregard Android given that a huge part of our potential user-base is there and I think we should take them with respect and proximity.</div>
<div><br></div><div>But yes, we have a community capable of coming up with a full-fledged solution and I think we could get there. This would open the window to having deployments based on KDE software and, more importantly, software made with a Free Software mind-set (in opposition to a Free Software license).</div>
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> On the bright side, it seems like the situation might improve a great deal<br>
> when we get to adopt Wayland and get a stack closer to Android.<br>
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</div>Is that really on the bright side? Would that mean, that i can install plasma<br>
(activ) on top of Android or would it only be possible to run KDE-software<br>
like you can run it on windows?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>No, that would mean you'd get to create a Linux OS for those systems _with_ a proper graphics card driver. Jolla has already starting doing that [3] because they're already there.</div>
<div><br></div><div>But yes, creating a shell on top of android would be a possibility too [4].</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Thank you Aleix.<br>
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Wolfgang</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Exciting times we're living in, let's not get scared, let's do it from illusion. In your e-mail I see lots of fear, I don't think that this should drive us to the next form factors. On the other hand, I think that we want to clean our mindsets and figure out who we want to be, look who wants to play with us and then push it with passion.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Aleix</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">[1] <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=QNJL6nfu__Q#t=51" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=QNJL6nfu__Q#t=51</a></div>
<div class="gmail_extra">[2] <a href="http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=scratch%2Fapol%2Fkalgebraandroid.git" target="_blank">http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=scratch%2Fapol%2Fkalgebraandroid.git</a></div><div class="gmail_extra">[3] <a href="http://www.thejollablog.com/jolla-announces-sailfish-os-android-phones/">http://www.thejollablog.com/jolla-announces-sailfish-os-android-phones/</a></div>
<div class="gmail_extra">[4] <a href="http://qt-project.org/wiki/Korhal">http://qt-project.org/wiki/Korhal</a></div>
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