<div dir="ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>I have looked at this discussion again and I am still positive we can Integrate Cooperative Learning in the Pairs game. I also (probably you have seen already) put two SoK task for student to help me do it. And it seems I have two candidates. In any case I will work in a branch and then we can still decide at the end if what we do is good or not. </div>
<div>Many details of the GUI we can implement in a later time what I need first is the Themes management routines and the games flow.</div><div>So in the next day I will go ahead and propose an XML format for a "collaborative Pairs Theme". </div>
<div>I would like you to check on me if I might forget or oversee something.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks</div><div>Marco</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 12:40 AM, Aleix Pol <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:aleixpol@kde.org" target="_blank">aleixpol@kde.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div class="h5">On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Marco Calignano <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marco.calignano@gmail.com" target="_blank">marco.calignano@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<div class="gmail_extra">
<div class="gmail_quote">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Aleix Pol <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:aleixpol@kde.org" target="_blank">aleixpol@kde.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Marco Calignano <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marco.calignano@gmail.com" target="_blank">marco.calignano@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Albert Astals Cid <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:aacid@kde.org" target="_blank">aacid@kde.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">El Dimarts, 7 de maig de 2013, a les 09:22:38, Marco Calignano va escriure:<br>
<div>> Hi,<br>
><br>
> to answer to Albert:<br>
><br>
> I plan to add an option (an Icon on the games bar) so the player can choose<br>
> the collaborative mode like was another kind of game.<br>
<br>
</div>Makes sense :-)<br>
<div><br>
><br>
> I can also give an example to how I imagine the third point:<br>
> There are three kids around the computer only one can play. When he<br>
> finishes his game we need to automatically load a new game (similar to the<br>
> first) for the next kid. Now after everyone played once we load a new game<br>
> (a bit more difficult) that the first kid can play again and so. All this<br>
> list of game and difficulties could be store in a xml file similar to the<br>
> current theme file.<br>
<br>
</div>Makes sense now :-)<br>
<div><br>
><br>
> to answer Aleix:<br>
><br>
> The aim of collaborative learning is to have children work together. A<br>
> player for himself is not Collaborative learning. (Of course we can think<br>
> of another option for increasing difficulties even in single player mode)<br>
> The number three came out in a discussion with the educator of pre-school<br>
> teacher: the said the best number is three one at computer and one per<br>
> side, the forth would be behind and sometime because of physical<br>
> characteristics could be cut off of the game (too short to see the monitor)<br>
> but also psychological he fells less important because he is behind<br>
><br>
> I would like to discuss the UI further as well (that's why this email)<br>
<br>
</div>What do you need for the UI, some kind of scoreboard so that each children has<br>
a different score?<br></blockquote></div></div><div>1) The score is not for each player but only for the group so we need to change the left tab where the players are.</div><div>2) We need also a way to tell the kids that they need to switch places. I thought like a popup windows where the avatar and the name appears.</div>
<div>3) Therefore the kids have to have different avatar.</div><div>4) I think also we need some kind of confirmation mechanism to select collaborative games. Like a double click or code typing of some kind: this would avoid kids playing at home switching into collaborative mode and have any kind of "problems"</div>
<div>5) we should also give the possibility to same the session game with players scores etc. This make sense since in this kind of mode there will be more than one game.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><span><font color="#888888">
<div>Marco</div></font></span><div><div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Albert<br>
<div><div><br>
><br>
> For the difficulty we could implement it both way: Increase the number of<br>
> cards, and/or decrease the number of step needed to solve the game<br>
><br>
><br>
> I hope I was clearer this time if not just tell me<br>
><br>
> Cheers<br>
> Marco<br>
><br>
> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 11:18 PM, Aleix Pol <<a href="mailto:aleixpol@kde.org" target="_blank">aleixpol@kde.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> > Hi Marco! :)<br>
> > It's good to see you back!<br>
> ><br>
> > First of all, I think it's a great iniciative, I'd like to see more of<br>
> > that in the future.<br>
> ><br>
> > Point by point:<br>
> > 1. Why do we limit the number of players? how do you mean to do that?<br>
> > Won't a kid be able to play by himself while bored at home?<br>
> > 2. It's a matter about UI, it won't hurt to think it through a bit further<br>
> ><br>
> > :).<br>
> ><br>
> > 3. Shouldn't the difficulty be the number of "pairs" we are displaying?<br>
> ><br>
> > Aleix<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Marco Calignano <<br>
> ><br>
> > <a href="mailto:marco.calignano@gmail.com" target="_blank">marco.calignano@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> >> Hello,<br>
> >><br>
> >> I would like to start adding Cooperative Learning features to Pairs, and<br>
> >> would like to throw the discussion in the mailing list.<br>
> >> For Cooperative Learning we need three main changes in Pairs, like<br>
> >> discussed in Randa last year (<br>
> >> <a href="http://community.kde.org/KDEEdu/Sprint2012/TeachersNotes" target="_blank">http://community.kde.org/KDEEdu/Sprint2012/TeachersNotes</a>).<br>
> >><br>
> >> 1. Limit the number of player to three, no more, no less.<br>
> >> 2. Only one player can access the computer so we need a way to tell<br>
> >> players when they can do that<br>
> >> 3. Link together different games so that the players have an increase in<br>
> >> tasks difficulty<br>
> >><br>
> >> To specify the difficulty of a game we can give a maximum number of move<br>
> >> to solve the game.<br>
> >><br>
> >> The first two points can be build in the game code, but the last point, I<br>
> >> believe, belongs to the theme description because it has to be more<br>
> >> flexible.<br>
> >><br>
> >> What do you think?<br>
> >><br>
> >> --<br>
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> >> And stand behind, the choices that you make<br>
> >><br>
> >> Face each day with both eyes open wide<br>
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<br></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra">Hi Marco!</div><div class="gmail_extra">Maybe you can provide some mockups to get it discussed?</div></div></blockquote></div></div><div>what do you mean mockups of the cooperative game or of the switching part? </div>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">
Technically, I think that the best for this would be to have a different binary called pairs-collaborative that the teachers can call and know what the kids will be playing beforehand.</div></div></blockquote></div><div>
Personally I do not like the Idea of two different application. The teacher won't use it at the end</div><div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">About the switch, I think that we can just add a QML overlay with the name/picture that the kind can click/press and disappears.</div></div></blockquote></div><div>That pretty much what I had in mind </div>
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<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">
Aleix</div></font></span></div><div>
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<br></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra">Hi Marco,</div><div class="gmail_extra">I also don't like having 2 entry ways, but I also think it can be problematic to narrow down the Pairs usage to class-only. Also I guess that the teacher will have to set up different systems at the same time, so it probably makes sense to find out a way to run a prepared session by the teacher.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">What you are proposing, is to have different games and after 1 level is done, the kid jumps to the next. To do this the teacher can run it with pairs and the game shouldn't have space for much further configuration. Also this could make it possible to specify the number of kids to use the game or other parameters, additionally to the levels list.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Do you think this makes sense?</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div class="gmail_extra">Aleix</div></font></span></div>
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