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<div class="protonmail_quote"> On Monday, May 19th, 2025 at
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 18/05/2025 16:41, Albert
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<p>If the contributor cannot tell you the
license(s) of the code that was used to
generate the code, then it's literally
gambling that this code wasn't taken from
another project by Gemini and used without
their permission or used in a way that
violates the license and opens up the KDE e.V.
to litigation.</p>
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<div dir="auto">I'm no lawyer but I would expect that
training AI will fall under fair use of copyrighted
code. If that's not the case already, it will probably
be soon. The benefits of AI to society are too large
to autoimpose such a roadblock.</div>
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<p>From my understanding (what others have told me), AI
generally does not produce good quality code though. So
how is that a benefit to society?</p>
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<span>Well, in that case, those “others” are using them wrong
or are just spreading second-hand misinformation.</span>
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<span>If you really care about the licensing aspect, focus on
it instead of diverting this thread into other topics with
statements like this one.</span><br>
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As a data point, we've recently used AI models for our
modernization work on <span><a target="_blank"
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href="https://invent.kde.org/websites/kde-ru"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://invent.kde.org/websites/kde-ru</a></span>,
with careful manual review of course, and it has helped us
perform the amount of work we physically would not have had
the time to do ourselves. I cannot imagine any legal risks
from reasonable use of LLMs for web development in KDE. If a
ban is imposed on it, I'm unlikely to spend an order of
magniute more time on this tedious work.</div>
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As long as that work hasn't violated any copyrights or licensing,
I'm happy for people to use it. The point is, we do not know where
LLMs get their content. It is a legal issue. If you don't have the
time to do something, that is also fine. Most of us are volunteers
to KDE, we give what time we can.<br>
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