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<p style="margin-top: 0;">On July 29th, 2014, 3:33 p.m. UTC, <b>Aleix Pol Gonzalez</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">do you need $DISPLAY in OS X?</p></pre>
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<p>On July 29th, 2014, 4:14 p.m. UTC, <b>René J.V. Bertin</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Nope. It can be set if the user has XQuartz installed and running, but that shouldn't make a difference.</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">In fact, $DISPLAY shouldn't be used on OS X because we wouldn't want things like socket names change when the user starts or quits XQuartz with KDE apps and/or services running.</p></pre>
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<p>On July 30th, 2014, 1:13 a.m. UTC, <b>Ian Wadham</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Perish the thought ($DISPLAY fluctuating between a value and an empty string). On my system, OS X 10.7.5 (Lion), XQuartz was installed by Apple and $DISPLAY is always set to a value, even if XQuartz (X11.app) is not running (i.e. no X11 server running). I presume installing X11 somehow "doctors" the OS X (Darwin) startup procedures so that DISPLAY is already defined in every user's ~/.profile. I do not know if that would be the case if a FOSS version of XQuartz would be installed (e.g. on OS X 10.9.x Mavericks).</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">The big thing is that $DISPLAY -is- used (non-portably) in KDE to help name a socket in kdeinit4 (kinit.cpp), wrapper.c, kwrapper and KCrash - and FAIK it may be used in this way in several other places. If $DISPLAY is not used consistently in all those places, communication with kdeinit4 can break, as it does already in KCrash/kdeinit4 on Apple OS X. And THAT is what we are trying to fix here. KDE apps on Apple OS X MUST be able to report a crash reliably.</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">This is why I keep asking for help from a KDE core developer. How widespread is this problem in KDE on Apple OS X? What are the implication for KDE apps? Should references to $DISPLAY in KDE be eliminated from the OS X version? What do kdeinit4, kwrapper and klauncher really do? Is whatever they do actually portable to Apple OS X? Or are we all, KDE guys and MacPorts guys alike, just crossing our fingers and hoping for the best?</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">I tried using lxr.kde.org to find further references, but there are thousands: mostly because "display" is a commonly-used English word in programming. And I did tick the case-sensitive box, but it does not seem to work.</p></pre>
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<p>On July 30th, 2014, 7:57 a.m. UTC, <b>René J.V. Bertin</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Hmm, interesting. I should find some time to play with this in my 10.9 VM.<br style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: normal;" />
Know however that even if $DISPLAY is always set, it will not always have the same value. At least for me, XQuartz has the annoying habit of increasing the display number after a restart.</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">If it's too complicated to remove all references to $DISPLAY from KDE code (which wouldn't surprise me at all) there remains another approach. Identify an appropriate location in the startup/initialisation code that all KDE applications and services share, and set $DISPLAY to something sensible (but preferably NOT a valid X11 display specifier). The only possible undesirable side-effect I can see from here would be that shells in konsole risk to inherit that value.<br style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: normal;" />
This probably isn't the most elegant solution, but then again that's because KDE apparently never imposed the use of its own internal variable/function (or one from Qt) instead of directly querying $DISPLAY.</p></pre>
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<p>On July 30th, 2014, 10:26 a.m. UTC, <b>Ian Wadham</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Restart of what? My system (Lion) has Apple OS X's XQuartz and $DISPLAY has a random temp-file path prepended every time Apple OS X starts of restarts. And that path is different every time. But so what? $DISPLAY keeps the same value no matter how many times I start XQuartz (X11) by running Gimp or whatever. And that value, determined immediately after boot or restart, should be picked by all KDE components, which come into existence later.</p></pre>
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<p>On July 30th, 2014, 12:21 p.m. UTC, <b>René J.V. Bertin</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">I meant restarts of the X server - it does crash sometimes, sometimes I have to restart it for other reasons, like after logging off and back in. I recall that I used to have those weird (socket based?) $DISPLAY values too, but now they're of a perfectly normal host:X.Y form on my systems. Except that X tends to increase each time I start XQuartz. I ignore how common this is, but I think that if you're looking into the use of $DISPLAY on OS X, you could just as well take all possible situations into account. I'd suggest to use the fact that the actual value is irrelevant and without important to clamp it to something appropriate (why not Qt4:Mac) in such a way that all those younger components pick up that value. And not the actual, current value of $DISPLAY, which may or may not have remained unchanged. (I specifically used the term clamp to draw an analogy signal acquisition, where unconnected inputs can carry all kinds of bogus signals.)</p></pre>
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<p>On July 31st, 2014, 12:16 p.m. UTC, <b>René J.V. Bertin</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">I've looked into the $DISPLAY value variations mentioned (= described from memory) above. The big lines hold:</p>
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<li style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: normal;">When I log in, $DISPLAY is not set. This is probably because I deactivated org.macosforge.xquartz.startx.plist (by moving it from Library/LaunchAgents): I always launch an X11 environment anyways and the autostart feature tends to start another server when I'm least expecting it.</li>
<li style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: normal;">When I start XQuartz and launch (for instance) konsole, $DISPLAY remains unset, unless I launch konsole using <code style="text-rendering: inherit;color: #4444cc;padding: 0;white-space: normal;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;">open -a konsole</code> typed into an xterm (i.e. with $DISPLAY set).</li>
<li style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: normal;">The value $DISPLAY takes (initially) is ":0"</li>
<li style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: normal;">~/.MacOSX/environment.plist contains <key>DISPLAY</key><string>:0.0</string> but the file does not exist on all accounts I tried (which show the same behaviour, suggesting that the file is irrelevant).</li>
<li style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: normal;">Quitting and restarting XQuartz normally does not modify the $DISPLAY value</li>
<li style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: normal;">A crash (or SIGTERM, kill -9) of XQuartz DOES cause $DISPLAY to become ":1" after restarting the server</li>
<li style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: normal;">This is a system-wide phenomenon that's not linked to a particular login session. In other words, if I log off and back in as a different user, starting XQuartz as that user will still set $DISPLAY=:1 . (If I'd had to guess, I'd say the crash/kill caused something like a shared memory segment to not be released.)</li>
<li style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: normal;">One of the accounts I checked is a guest account in which Xquartz is started in a purely stock way (and had never been started before), without any attempts to set $DISPLAY to something not including a filepath.</li>
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<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">In short, $DISPLAY doesn't necessarily have a file path (starting with "/tmp") value, and can indeed change during login session.</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Testing was done on 10.6.8 and 10.9.2, using XQuartz.app maintained by Apple's Jeremy Huddleston. This is not the same as the (deprecated) X11.app that used to be distributed by Apple as an optional component of Mac OS X. It's the same server of which (at least) the local libraries are installed by MacPorts.</p></pre>
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<p>On July 31st, 2014, 2:26 p.m. UTC, <b>Benjamin Reed</b> wrote:</p>
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Ultimately, the point of using $DISPLAY in KDE is to be able to associate things happening in KDE with a unique user "session", and on Mac OS X, $DISPLAY is not in any way tied to the user's actual session. It can get reset or changed for any number of reasons, even though the user is in a single login session to the Mac desktop.</p></pre>
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<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">It is my strong belief that the failure to report crashes of KDE apps in Apple OS X also exists in Frameworks.</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">So far I have identified a number of portability bugs in KDE on Apple OS X: 1 in KCrash, 1 in kdeinit4 and 5 in Dr Konqi. Patches for the first two are submitted in this review. Patches for three more are submitted in part 2 of this review, against kde-runtime. I am still investigating the other two problems in Dr Konqi - and there could be more than two...</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">In this review we have two portability problems:</p>
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<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">KCrash itself crashes (SIGILL) when it tries to close all file descriptors and so Dr Konqi is not started. Some of the FDs belong to the Apple OS X library (COCOA) and it crashes if they are closed prematurely.</p>
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<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Please note that I am the -only- KDE developer who has this kind of setup, but I am NOT a KDE core developer. My experience before now has been in KDE Games. However I used to be a UNIX and database guru before I retired in 1998.</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">I NEED HELP from KDE -core- developers to proceed further. These problems also exist in FRAMEWORKS, but I am as yet unable to build or test Frameworks on Apple OS X. And I am sure there are many more Apple OS X portability problems in KDE software.</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Without my patches, Dr Konqi is not started and, if it does get past its own crash, KCrash reports:<br style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: normal;" />
KCrash: Attempting to start /kdedev/kde4.13/kde4/lib/kde4/libexec/drkonqi.app/Contents/MacOS/drkonqi from kdeinit<br style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: normal;" />
sock_file=/kdedev/kde4.13/home/.kde4.13/socket-Tara.local/kdeinit4__tmp_launch-svPd0L_org.x_0<br style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: normal;" />
Warning: connect() failed: : No such file or directory</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">With my patches, Dr Konqi can always be started directly (using fork()) and it -will- start via kdeinit4 and klauncher but it immediately runs into a privilege problem with Apple OS X (a problem which I am still investigating).</p>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">I would not have got this far without help from Michael Pyne, Thomas Lübking and several of the MacPorts developers, as well as the unfailing enthusiasm and encouragement of my friend Marko Käning.</p></pre>
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