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<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Andriy Rysin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:arysin@gmail.com" target="_blank">arysin@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi<br>
<br>
I am a current (even if somewhat recently passive :)) KDE keyboard module maintainer and I promised Weng to reply so here it goes.<br>
<br>
1. I've never used IM and have pretty vague understanding how it works so I am open for discussion<br>
2. I don't plan to use IM (current keyboard layout implementation in KDE is good enough for me), but I don't mind to take a look at it if it's implemented as an additional feature and I can play with it temporarily to see if it bring something cool for users like me<br>
3. There's probably tons of users that like me are ok (more or less - there's still open bugs) with current keyboard layout support in KDE and we *cannot* break things for them, especially not in 4.x branch (although I suspect people would prefer things they use not being broken in 5.x as well :))<br>
4. There's tons of features requests implemented and bugs fixed in KDE keyboard module for last 10 years, this is the baggage I would not just trash<br>
5. I have story of GNOME keyboard module maintainer leaving after dozen of years of development because keyboard layouts management code in GNOME was superseded by IM module<br>
6. I have also stories that GNOME keyboard layouts got pretty much unusable for many users after this switch (unless you do the trick to activate old code)<br>
7. Now having said that I also agree that many people need IM and also that keyboard layout module and IM are trying to do pretty much the same thing (at high level that is), so making them work together (or at least show up together for the user in UI) would be the right way to go; actually there's pretty old feature request (<a href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109845" target="_blank">https://bugs.kde.org/show_<u></u>bug.cgi?id=109845</a>) to do exactly that<br>
8. With 1-7 in mind I would say I am in favor of adding IM module to KDE, as long as:<br>
a) it does not override, remove, or hide existing keyboard layout module<br>
b) it is off by default (like keyboard layout module itself)<br>
c) it makes sense that if IM is turned on, keyboard layout configuration (or to be exact some part of it) will be disabled (as it's functionality is taken over by IM)<br>
d) as user needs to see which module (IM or keyboard layout) is active, the IM control UI should reside in the same UI as keyboard layout (I would suggest another tab), thus when user enables IM he can easily see which parts of keyboard module is taken over by IM and which he still can (or should) change<br>
e) there's still some functionality from the old module that will be useful even if IM is active (i.e. xkb options to define keys behavior) - we need to analyze which parts are taken over by IM activation and which ones work in parallel<br>
<br>
I looked a bit at the code below at github and I don't see it doing anything special, if I understand it right it just allows to configure which IM module to use and pass some parameters, kded module then will take care of IM daemon/qt module activation. Somebody who uses and understands IM probably should try it to see if it works and if it does we can target this for 4.11 if we can meet criteria in 8.<br>
<br>
I'll update the bug 109845 to point to this conversation in case somebody there is still interested enough to get involved.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Andriy<br>
<br>
P.S. adding kde-core-devel as even though it's not about core libs, it still about core KDE workspace functionality<br>
<br>
On 01/15/2013 03:11 PM, Weng Xuetian wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi,<br>
Under linux, input method is always being a mess:<br>
1. Start it correctly<br>
ubuntu, debian: im-switch, im-config<br>
fedora: imsettings<br>
opensuse: their own script and I don't really know package name about it.<br>
<br>
im-switch and im-config have bug so long time, and all of them are distro<br>
specific.<br>
<br>
2. Relation betwen keyboard layout and input method<br>
Agree it or not, keyboard layout is only a kinds of special input method, and<br>
it should live with input method,<br>
<br>
Now, more and more input method are taking care of keyboard layout (which<br>
means it would just conflict with kde's own keyboard layout settings), but<br>
it's the correct way to go:<br>
Here comes my beloved usecase :D<br>
User is using a Chinese input method, which expect it to be something similar<br>
with qwerty, but if you're using a de layout, it will type some non-sense<br>
character.<br>
<br>
And idea is, input method have layout on its own, and should be take care by<br>
input method itself (if they can).<br>
<br>
So, leaving user with keyboard layout settings provided by kde if input method<br>
can already handle it doesn't make any sense.<br>
<br>
Under upper idea, I wrote some code, now it's only complete the idea 1.<br>
<a href="https://github.com/csslayer/kde-input-method" target="_blank">https://github.com/csslayer/<u></u>kde-input-method</a><br>
<br>
Currently it only have fcitx's profile for test (since I'm selffish fcitx<br>
dev), but it's trivial to add others (gcin, hime, ibus, maliit).<br>
<br>
It provides distro independent start up and environment handling (by global<br>
kde env script), input method process starting and monitoring (by kded).<br>
<br>
BTW kded part can be also adopted by plasma-active.<br>
<br>
Configure button in kcm is not implemented yet.<br>
<br>
Currently it has its own kcm, which I want to have it sit in kcm-component-<br>
chooser. And for backward compatibilty, it can be switch to "none" and in that<br>
way nothing will be affected.<br>
<br>
And I need input from kcm-keyboard maintainer (already in CC) and non-CJK<br>
people. I'm not sure about which list should be CC to, so I only send to kde-<br>
devel for now.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Xuetian<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br></div>