On Thursday 30 May 2002 19:02, Neil Stevens wrote:

> 8. Write yet another kpersonalizer setting, to get the old KDE defaults.

For old hardware a fallback (probably to the current non-highcolor-default) 
for the lowest eye-candy-O-meter level in kpersonalizer should be 
implemented.

> So your only reason is marketing.  Fine.  Go right ahead. Trash the
> existing icons, trash the existing look, for marketing purposes.  Just
> turn your back on everyone who's been saying over and over that KDE looks
> fine.  Or rather, stab us in the back by saying all of us KDE defenders
> were morons.
> If you think this meets the goals of KDE, do it.

Of course I appreciate it very much that you like the current look & feel. On 
the other hand I should be the person who should stick most to the  KDE-icons 
for a good reason (I painted quite a few of them ;-)

And the current icons won't disappear. We'll create a tarball "KDE Classic" if 
we remove them from kdelibs and put them into kdeartwork. In addition if you 
look at the icons which Everaldo made you'll realize that he based quite some 
icons on some of the current icons. So the Crystal icon set is actually a 
"child" of our current "hicolor" (and iKons) iconset. I'm very proud that 
this "child" has become that popular on kdelook and that it still contains 
some stuff done by me and other kde-artists.

Personally I still think that we could stick with the current hicolor-icons 
for quite some time as some of them (mostly the mimetype-icons, toolbar-icons 
and filesystem-icons) are IMHO very well designed.

On the other hand I feel that we have been sticking to this look for quite 
some time and even I am already a bit tired of it. It's time for a change and 
due to the fact that I feel that

- we have an active maintainer for the Crystal icons (Everaldo).
- we have quite some support from the community concerning the 
Crystal-icon-set (just look at the poll on kde-look and the 
"3rd-party-contributions" to Crystal).
- we have a cool name for them ("Crystal")
- and we have the chance to let Everaldo, me and the kde-artist-team improve 
"Crystal" in a way that it would become a good default 

I think that together with the keramik widget style and deco we have the 
chance to replace a great look and feel by a _new_ look and feel which will 
be at least as great as the current one and in some aspects it might even 
surpass the current one.

On Thursday 30 May 2002 19:34, Thomas Zander wrote:
> > "I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding
> > because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they
> > have not a single political argument left." - Margaret Thatcher
> HIhi; that's a match! :)

*grin*

> > > If we
> > > decide to use these stuff for 3.1, that is no "Trash the existing
> > > icons, trash the existing look", it is just a modernisation of the
> > > look'n'feel

I agree with this.

> Its different, yes.  People like it, and new replaces old that is the way
> of the world. Don't fight change, embrace it. Use it.

Exactly.

> Thanx for your attention ;)

Greetings,
Tackat


> - --
> Neil Stevens - neil@qualityassistant.com
> "I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding
> because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they
> have not a single political argument left." - Margaret Thatcher
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