[PATCH]: menu button in window deco

[Aaron J. Seigo]

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On Sunday 21 July 2002 09:00, Thomas Zander wrote:
> > this is a good question. it's an obvous usability abomination.
>
> Why do you think that?  

for all the reasons i stated in my original email.

> Its a feature, just like double clicking a word
> selects that word, and triple clicking selects line.  Its not invasive for
> users that don't use it and quite usable for people that do.  It is
> annoying some times that you hit the triple click while you only wanted the
> double click.

single/double/triple select are not:

 a) destructive tasks
 b) overloaded on a single GUI item
 c) break style guidelines.
 d) hidden behind the guise of something not related to selection

your example is not like the double click close at all.

> Misfeature or not, the people that do rely on that behavior will not like
> it at all if you remove it.  Its quite easy to gain a bad name in the UI
> department, and rather hard to get rid of it. In this case it really is the
> safest path to follow the former leaders. (i.e. ALL of them :)

right. a sanely working menu button that follows KDE's style guides (e.g. 
click on it again and the menu disappears) would be far too confusing! 
thousands of double clicking closers the world over would stop dead in their 
tracks wondering just to do next. ;-)

> Is there any problem with it staying? Do you get bug reports that people
> lost work because of this? Is the bug really this behavior, or did an
> application forget to ask to saved unsaved work?

not all windows have the concept of "unsaved work". i discovered this 
behaviour by having my IRC session closed on me (bye-bye history, hello 
reloging in!). konqueror, kdict, kmail and a host of other apps that are used 
as viewers rather than editors will just close silently. while you don't lose 
"work" you do lose time and there is a real level of agravation if closing 
the window isn't what you wanted.

as for bug reports, i've received at least one from one of the people who rely 
on me here for tech support. i had no idea what he was talking about at the 
time ("i clicked on the title bar a couple of times by accident and the 
window just dissapeared!") but now i do =) he's an ex-windows user, but not a 
power user. the double click thing is probalby as foreign to him as it is to 
me, despite him being an ex-windowser ..

> > ok. if decided, i'll remove it everywhere.
>
> I think you read CTs email the way you wanted to, since I do believe he
> only pointed out the problems with the removal of this feature. So
> concluding that the feature should be removed seems a bit hasty :)

no, i said "if decided" not "since it is decided" .. meaning that *if* it were 
decided that this is a good thing, that i would follow his suggestion to make 
everything follow the same method.

btw, BII doesn't have the double-click close in CVS, so if we want consistency 
and stick with double-click close that ought to be fixed as well... pretty 
simple to do ...

> Please don't remove the feature, it only makes it harder for recovering
> Windows users :)

fine. consider the topic dead.

two people voiced their opinion aginst it (and one in private, to make three), 
nobody for it (well, save me obviously ;) ... game, set, match. next!

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Aaron J. Seigo
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