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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 27.04.23 um 23:42 schrieb Joseph P.
De Veaugh-Geiss:<br>
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cite="mid:51e2d7e8-4131-95aa-15f8-4b5f76479d5a@kde.org">Cross-posting
to the relevant mailing lists.
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To discuss, please answer to <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:kde-community@kde.org">kde-community@kde.org</a>.
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tl;dr There are several inactive or unused lists of the 181
mailing lists at KDE. What do we want to do with them?
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This is a post about inactive or unused mailing lists. For a
general discussion about (active) mailing lists at KDE, please
start a new thread or wait until I address that, likely in the
very near future.
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_Inactive Mailing Lists_
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For a better understanding of what works and what needs
improvement in KDE's internal communications, I started by looking
at the 181 mailing lists publicly listed at:
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/</a>
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Here I see 51 mailing lists which might be considered inactive,
some of which were never used at all. There may be more to add to
this upon further inspection, but these seem like a good place to
start.
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By inactive I mean there has been very low or no activity in the
past 2-3 years at least, and for most lists the last post was 4+
years ago. For several of these lists, there are long gaps in
activity, often with no community responses to the most recent
posts.
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The 51 mailing lists are included at the end of this email.
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Importantly, I know a list with infrequent activity is *not* the
same as a list that has no activity. Some communities do not need
regular communication for that community to be active. If you see
your community's mailing list here and think it is a mistake,
please let me know! My apologies in advance if this is the case.
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Crucially, do not interpret an inactive mailing list to mean a
project is inactive. It only means the mailing list is not a
frequently used channel of communication. There are many other
channels for community discussion (e.g., Matrix, Discuss, etc.).
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_Some Questions To The KDE Community_
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* What do we want to do with inactive or unused mailing lists?
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* Is there a policy for retiring inactive lists? I didn't see
anything at the Community Wiki. [1]
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* Does KDE have internal infrastructure to archive mailing lists
for posterity? I see kwrite-devel [2] archived old posts at the
"Mailing list ARChives" [3].
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* Do we want to nudge traffic from low activity mailing lists to
somewhere with generally higher activity (specifically, I am
thinking Discuss)? I can imagine being in a more active online
space could increase general participation for otherwise low
activity groups.
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_Inactive Lists: To Close Or Not To Close_
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I am sure there are reasons both for and against closing mailing
lists. Here are just some reasons I can think of to close inactive
ones:
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* The more communication channels there are, the more fractured
KDE's communication is.
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* It may not be obvious to new (or even old) contributors that a
list is no longer in use, resulting in wasted energy signing up
for an inactive one.
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* Trying to engage with an inactive list may reduce motivation
for futher contributions from members, especially when posts go
unanswered.
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* Moving some communities to more lively platforms may increase
their overall activity.
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* There could be a slight efficiency/ecological benefit for KDE's
server infrastructure by removing or deactivating unused services.
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Pleae keep in mind: I am not judging the value of any particular
group by pointing out low activity, or arguing we need to close
any specific list. If there is a reason -- any reason at all -- to
keep a list open, then let's keep it open! I myself like mailing
lists for various forms of communication (announcements, long-form
discussion, information which I want to archive locally for future
reference, etc.).
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If I made any mistakes in my summary here, please let me know. It
is a challenge to go through 181 lists and not make any errors,
though I tried my best not to.
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I look forward to reading your thoughts and suggestions!
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Cheers,
<br>
Joseph
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[1] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://community.kde.org/Infrastructure/Mailing-Lists">https://community.kde.org/Infrastructure/Mailing-Lists</a>
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[2] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kwrite-devel">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kwrite-devel</a>
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[3] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://marc.info/">https://marc.info/</a>
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# Overview
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Of the 181 mailing lists listed publicly, I found the following:
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* 12 are lists that have never been used and 1 was already closed
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* 27 are potentially-inactive general lists
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* 11 are potentially-inactive language or country-specific lists
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# Unused / Closed Mailing Lists [13 Lists]
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## Never Used [12 lists] ("No messages have been posted to this
list yet, so the archives are currently empty.")
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* Calligra-author:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/calligra-author">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/calligra-author</a>
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* Cantor-bugs: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/cantor-bugs">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/cantor-bugs</a>
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* Gcompris-espanol:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/gcompris-espanol">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/gcompris-espanol</a>
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* Kde-dashboard:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-dashboard">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-dashboard</a>
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* kde-games-bugs:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-games-bugs">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-games-bugs</a>
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* Kde-i18n-it: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-i18n-it">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-i18n-it</a>
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* Kde-l10n-my: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-my">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-my</a>
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* Kde-l10n-sw: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-sw">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-sw</a>
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* KDE-Look: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-look">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-look</a>
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* Kde-partnership:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-partnership">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-partnership</a>
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* Kdepim-builds:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdepim-builds">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdepim-builds</a>
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* neon-bugs: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/neon-bugs">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/neon-bugs</a>
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## Officially Closed [1 list]
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* kde-nonlinux:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-nonlinux">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-nonlinux</a>
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# Inactive General Lists [27 lists]
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## Currently Inactive With Almost No Previous Activity [5 lists]
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* kde-artists: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists</a>
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* Heaptrack: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/heaptrack">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/heaptrack</a>
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* CuteHMI: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/cutehmi">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/cutehmi</a>
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* Khtml-cvs: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/khtml-cvs">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/khtml-cvs</a>
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* Cki-attendees:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/cki-attendees">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/cki-attendees</a>
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## Currently Inactive With Low Previous Activity [2 lists]
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* Snorenotify: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/snorenotify">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/snorenotify</a>
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* KXStitch: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kxstitch">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kxstitch</a>
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## Currently Inactive But Previously Active [16 lists]
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* Choquk-devel:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/choqok-devel">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/choqok-devel</a>
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* Kde-embedded:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-embedded">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-embedded</a>
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* Kde-buildsystem:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-buildsystem">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-buildsystem</a>
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* WikiToLearn: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitolearn">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitolearn</a>
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* Marble-commits:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/marble-commits">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/marble-commits</a>
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* Ksecretservice-devel:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/ksecretservice-devel">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/ksecretservice-devel</a>
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* KDE-Telepathy:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-telepathy">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-telepathy</a>
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* Kde-speech: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-speech">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-speech</a>
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* Kexi: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kexi">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kexi</a>
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* Enterprise: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/enterprise">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/enterprise</a>
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* Marble: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/marble">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/marble</a>
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* kde-women: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-women">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-women</a>
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* kde-usa: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-usa">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-usa</a>
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* kopete-devel:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kopete-devel">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kopete-devel</a>
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* Kde-scm-interest:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-scm-interest">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-scm-interest</a>
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* Kexi-devel: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kexi-devel">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kexi-devel</a>
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## No Activity In 7+ Years [4 lists]
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* SymbolEditor:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/symboleditor">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/symboleditor</a>
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* Gcompris-portugues:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/gcompris-portugues">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/gcompris-portugues</a>
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* kdelibs-bugs:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdelibs-bugs">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdelibs-bugs</a>
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* QmlWeb: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/qmlweb">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/qmlweb</a>
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# Inactive Language/Country-Specific Mailing Lists [11 lists]
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## Currently Inactive With Almost No Previous Activity [2 lists]
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* Kde-i18n-eu: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-i18n-eu">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-i18n-eu</a>
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* Kde-edu-pt_br:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu-pt_br">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu-pt_br</a>
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## Currently Inactive But Previously Active [5 lists]
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* Kde-i18n-uk: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-i18n-uk">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-i18n-uk</a>
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* KDE-india: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-india">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-india</a>
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* Kde-l10n-in: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-in">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-in</a>
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* Kde-latam: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-latam">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-latam</a>
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* Kde-l10n-kn: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-kn">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-kn</a>
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## No Activity In 7+ Years [3 lists]
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* Kde-el: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-el">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-el</a>
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* kde-mexico: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-mexico">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-mexico</a>
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* Kde-l10n-si: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-si">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-si</a>
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## Infrequently Active [1 list]
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* KDE-Italia: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-italia">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-italia</a>
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<p>Hi,</p>
<p>there's various <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:foo-bugs@kde.org">foo-bugs@kde.org</a> lists in your list. Those
(sometimes) have a specific aspect, which is that they are the
default assignee on bugs.kde.org for that project.</p>
<p>There's something funky about it though. For example <span
title="kdelibs-bugs@kde.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:kdelibs-bugs@kde.org">kdelibs-bugs@kde.org</a> is the default
assignee for the frameworks-kirigami product, so the archive
should show lots of mails from that, but doesn't.</span></p>
<p><span title="kdelibs-bugs@kde.org">Whether this is a good use of
mailing lists is of course up for debate.</span></p>
<p><span title="kdelibs-bugs@kde.org">Cheers</span></p>
<p><span title="kdelibs-bugs@kde.org">Nico</span></p>
<p><span title="kdelibs-bugs@kde.org">PS: Evaluating how "Default
Assignee" and generally automatic subscription to bugreports
works could be a good idea. Currently the established way to get
CC'd on bugs for a specific thing is to tell Nate "Please CC me
for XY bugs" and then Nate does some obscure config to make it
happen<br>
</span></p>
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