<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Niccolò,</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 3:26 PM Niccolò Ve <<a href="mailto:niccolo.venerandi@gmail.com">niccolo.venerandi@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi.</div><div><br><div>> Posts about Richard Stallman are off-topic and will not be allowed. </div><div><br></div><div>This is... plain out wrong. Off topic means off topic.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The KDE Community list exists, according to the subscription page: <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community</a></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">The purpose of the mailing list is to provide a place for non-technical information and discussions which are relevant to the KDE community as a whole. All people who consider themselves to be part of the KDE community are invited to join. Conversations on the mailing list are respectful, considerate, polite and constructive following our KDE Code of Conduct.<br>The list collects announcements, information and results from discussions in other places and offers a place to get feedback on non-technical questions or plans of relevance for the whole KDE community.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Anything else is off-topic. </div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>A RMS reply to a thread about RMS is NOT off topic.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The original post was about the FSF and their governance. Unfortunately "RMS pro/con" hijacked that thread and caused this list to be moderated. </div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>If you want to shutdown the discussion, just say so.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I did so. </div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>The fact that RMS is not "the issue" (he's surely _an_ issue...) does not change that <br></div><div>the kde community email was about RMS. I sent an email 10 hours <b>before</b> this apology. <br></div><div>It was rejected just<b> now.</b> As offtopic.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I live in the US; most of the other mods live in Europe. If they had wanted to act on your email they could have done so, but I believe I was the one to reject your post. There was nothing time-sensitive in it. </div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>I did not like that thread, but this handling of the situation is plain out bad. This apology</div><div>mail only made things worse. If I did not know about KDE, I'd say that they are censoring</div><div>the discussion. Instead I'm just embarrassed.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Requiring lists to be on-topic is not censorship, which *governments* do. We're volunteers trying to keep lists "respectful, considerate, polite and constructive." Had the discussion kept to that, even though off-topic, it probably could have been solved by a warning.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Even the original motivation for putting the ML under moderation could've been worded better,</div><div>it raised complaints from some people I know.<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes, I should have followed my own advice and removed my personal thoughts. That was not constructive. </div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Putting an email under manual moderation requires that manual moderation to happen much,</div><div>much faster than 10 hours. If help is needed in moderating, please say so.</div><div>If you want to shutdown the discussion about RMS, say it was getting too aggressive, not that</div><div>it's "offtopic".</div><div><br></div><div>Niccolò<br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>We're all volunteers. Help is always welcome! List administration is not the most interesting job, but it is not usually difficult either. If you are interested, write to "$<a href="mailto:listname-owner@kde.org">listname-owner@kde.org</a>" (in this case, kde-community-owner at <a href="http://kde.org">kde.org</a>) and volunteer your services.</div><div><br></div><div>Valorie</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il giorno ven 26 mar 2021 alle ore 20:36 Valorie Zimmerman <<a href="mailto:valorie.zimmerman@gmail.com" target="_blank">valorie.zimmerman@gmail.com</a>> ha scritto:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hello my friends,<div><br></div><div>When I put this list on emergency moderation, I felt that this was necessary. It still seems so, but I want to lift moderation as soon as possible. </div><div><br></div><div>I may have played a part in continuing the negative thread that "wouldn't die" by expressing my own opinion. I should have followed my own advice and walked away after writing my email and then removed parts which expressed a personal opinion. </div><div><br>While I may disagree with others about the value of RMS to Free Software, he is not the issue. The more organizations I've been involved with, the more I realize the value of good governance. The FSF has been critical to the growth of Free Software, and the recent news about their Board is very worrying. <br><br>My statement did not do anything to convey that or to help, and for that I am truly sorry. </div><div><br></div><div>Posts about Richard Stallman are off-topic and will not be allowed. </div><div><br></div><div>Thanks to those of you who called my attention to my part in all of this. </div><div><br></div><div>All the best to each of you, to KDE and all of the Free software communities,</div><div><br></div><div>Valorie</div><div><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><a href="http://about.me/valoriez" target="_blank">http://about.me/valoriez</a> - pronouns: she/her<br></div></div></div></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Niccolò Venerandi<br><div style="font-size:small"><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><a href="http://about.me/valoriez" target="_blank">http://about.me/valoriez</a> - pronouns: she/her<br><br><br></div></div></div></div>