<html><head></head><body>I don't think we're likely to achieve consensus on making the KDE community an escapist outlet where we can hide from the world around us.<br><br><br>Cheers,<br>Eike<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On December 5, 2019 1:39:57 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli <kde@fuchsnet.ch> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<pre class="k9mail">Kindly don't throw in false accusations, I don't dislike that particular blog <br>post at all (probably it's even mostly my position), I dislike in general that <br>things get more and more political, so you it's getting really hard to find <br>projects and places where you don't have to deal with $topic (insert <br>controversial stuff like Brexit, Bolsonaro, Trump, Fidesz, ... I'm sure every <br>country and region has its fair share) because you originally came to these <br>places for something other than politics. <br><br>As the bar has a different height for different people, I already made a <br>suggestion: simply create a category for it and allow to filter, as we already <br>allow to filter by language. <br><br>Kind regards, <br><br>Christian <br><br>Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:36:36 CET schrieb Eike Hein:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;">If and when the Planet becomes majority political content, that's a problem<br>we can acknowledge and deal with at that time I would say. As a community<br>we're smart enough to understand that it's a different reality from an<br>occasional post. Let's have that trust.<br><br>But let me say it again: We discussed this before. The hypothetical you've<br>laid out is not a new one. You're not explaining how the situation is<br>different now from back then and why we need to review the consensus we<br>already had achieved, which was informed by other thoughts like having the<br>Planet be a place where we can get to know each other and the cost of<br>losing a venue for that. The Planet is not a corporate outlet or a news<br>feed, it's a community aggregator.<br><br>Starting a thread because you don't like a particular personal blog post is<br>not meeting the necessary bar. Let's not prolong it until you come up with<br>something.<br><br><br>Cheers,<br>Eike<br><br>On December 5, 2019 1:26:58 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli <kde@fuchsnet.ch> <br></blockquote>wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;">Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:24:30 CET schrieb Eike Hein:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;">But they don't, so your calculation is about solving a problem that<br></blockquote><br>doesn't<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;">currently exist.<br></blockquote><br>I consider that a tricky argument that leads to a slippery slope,<br>because<br>whenever people will at political stuff, it will be "but the other<br>person was<br>allowed, too!", so in my opinion it's a matter of fairness.<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;">Cheers,<br>Eike<br></blockquote><br>Kind regards,<br><br>Christian<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;">On December 5, 2019 1:21:08 PM GMT+01:00, Christian Loosli<br></blockquote><br><kde@fuchsnet.ch><br><br>wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">For me it's a rather simple calculation: if every contributor on<br></blockquote></blockquote><br>planet<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">would<br>post as many articles on politics as e.g. you do, the planet would<br></blockquote></blockquote><br>be<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">simply<br>overcrowded with it.<br><br>Given we already have filters for languages, maybe there could be a<br>filter for<br>non-KDE stuff, so that people who to go planet.kde to read about,<br></blockquote></blockquote><br>well,<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">KDE,<br>could filter all that stuff out.<br><br>Kind regards,<br><br>Christian<br><br>Am Donnerstag, 5. Dezember 2019, 13:04:35 CET schrieb Jonathan<br></blockquote></blockquote><br>Riddell:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;">Planet KDE exists to allow KDE people to share information about<br></blockquote><br>themselves<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;">as well as their KDE contributions. A hard Brexit will affect KDE<br>significantly which is why I include it here. The idea that<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><br>talking<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">about<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;">politics is dangerous or anti-social really scares me and is one<br></blockquote><br>reason why<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;">the populists have taken over so much of the political discussion<br>currently. I often get people thanking me for my political opinion<br></blockquote><br>blogs.<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;">If you don’t want to read it then don’t read it.<br><br>The rule we came up with is "The majority of content in your blog<br></blockquote><br>should be<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;">about KDE and your work on KDE. Blog posts about personal subjects<br></blockquote><br>are also<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;">encouraged since Planet KDE is a chance to learn more about the<br></blockquote><br>developers<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;">behind KDE." I've never heard anyone suggest changes to that<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><br>rule.<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;">Jonathan<br><br>On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 at 11:53, Christian Loosli <kde@fuchsnet.ch><br></blockquote><br>wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;">Dear Community,<br><br>I'm 100% sure this topic came up in the past due to the same<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><br>blog,<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">but I<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;">can't<br>find it on the mailing list, so I assume it happened on forums<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><br>or<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">chat:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;">currently the top blog post on planet.kde.org is about voting<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><br>for a<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;">specific<br>political party. I understand that in these times there are many<br></blockquote></blockquote><br>countries<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;">with heated and important political debates, and some very<br></blockquote></blockquote><br>important<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;">global<br>topics as well. However, these already occupy all the news site.<br>Now if every blog appearing on the planet would target a<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><br>political<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">subject<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;">that is very important to the blogger, planet.kde.org would be<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><br>yet<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;">another<br>political news/opinions feed.<br><br>If I want politics, I go to one of these. If I want to read<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><br>about<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">KDE, I<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;">go to<br>planet.kde.org.<br><br>Please dear bloggers: there are categories, and you can choose<br></blockquote></blockquote><br>which of<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;">your<br>blogs do show up on the planet. I know that some topics are very<br></blockquote></blockquote><br>important<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;">to<br>you and obviously you are free to blog about them, but please<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><br>keep<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">the<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;">planet.kde.org feed free of it, so it doesn't become a mess<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><br>where<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;">it's<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;">hard to<br>find the content people actually go there for.<br><br>Thanks and kind regards,<br><br>Christian<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><br><br><br><br></pre></blockquote></div><br>-- <br>Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. 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