<div dir="ltr">Hi All,<div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 1:29 PM Adriaan de Groot <<a href="mailto:groot@kde.org">groot@kde.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Mostly I'm repeating this item from Cornelius because it follows so well from <br>
what Valorie *originally* asked, rather than a bunch of misintepretations and <br>
discussing-something-else.<br>
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On Monday, 20 August 2018 10:58:05 CEST Cornelius Schumacher wrote:<br>
> I don't think that anybody has a problem with having a healthy ecosystem of<br>
> companies around KDE. That's not the debate we are having.<br>
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The thread started with Valorie exclaiming surprise that there was pushback on <br>
the entire notion of having companies / paid development around the KDE <br>
community. Some people have chimed in saying that that's not what they hear at <br>
all, so at this point I'm inclined to say that Valorie had the bad luck to run <br>
into one or two grumpy people.<br>
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[Disclosure: Cornelius is presumably paid to work on Free Software-ish things <br>
throughout the week; I am paid to work on Free Software things for at least <br>
half of the week, and am looking for more.]<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I also work on Free Software-ish things myself, but haven't done as much KDE stuff </div><div>in the past few years.</div><br class="gmail-Apple-interchange-newline"><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
But we could run a separate email thread with this question:<br>
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- do we (as a community) want an ecosystem of companies and paid development <br>
around KDE?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I would argue that whether we as a community want that or not we already have it. I can</div><div>name on a couple of hands quickly a number of community members that either are paid</div><div>to work directly on KDE stuff or on free software in general and do KDE stuff in "Community"</div><div>paid time by the company they work for.</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
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> > For those people who claim that having paid people work on a Free Software<br>
> > project will inevitably kill all motivation for volunteers, let's look at<br>
> <br>
> > some examples within or close to KDE:<br>
> We need to get clear on what we are debating. It's not that paid people are<br>
> a problem. It's about how this is done and who is paying them.<br>
> <br>
> We have a very conscious standing decision that KDE e.V. does not pay<br>
> developers. This clearly separates paid and volunteer work there so that<br>
> there can be no issue with harming volunteer motivation. We might want to<br>
> revisit this decision but would need to be very clear about the governance<br>
> of this work.<br>
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You're right. That's a very separate debate. That question is:<br>
<br>
- are there any circumstances under which KDE e.V. itself should fund <br>
development, by paying developers directly or hiring companies to do so?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes, I think this is the real question here. We already have paid developers, the question</div><div>is whether e.V. should get involved in that aspect.</div><div><br></div><div>One possible way to remove the emotional aspect of this would be to have the board </div><div>or some work group come up with a bounty list of long-standing issues we would like to see</div><div>fixed and whoever (individual or group/company) is able to properly fix the issue gets the</div><div>money for that bounty. This could be tricky for board members to stay out of the conflict</div><div>of interest gray area. (e.g. Hey, Lydia created that bounty because she knew the company/</div><div>friends she works for/with could tackle it or somesuch) but with enough of a selection process</div><div>of which bounties we want that could be decreased quite a bit (e.g. The whole kde ev membership</div><div>voted on these bounties, no way for an individual to have influenced the bounties enough to matter).</div><div><br></div><div>BR,</div><div>Jeremy </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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.. and there's a third question, raised by yourself at Akademy and touched by <br>
Sven just now:<br>
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- if KDE e.V. has money, and doesn't spend it directly on development, how <br>
can it best support KDE development indirectly?<br>
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These are three distinct questions, and really we should be very very clear on <br>
which one we're tackling (which, thank you, you have pointed out -- as has <br>
Sune, and others, and now I'm just repeating stuff :) )<br>
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