<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 2 April 2018 at 22:56, Lydia Pintscher <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lydia@kde.org" target="_blank">lydia@kde.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hey Jaroslaw :)<br>
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On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 10:28 PM, Jaroslaw Staniek <<a href="mailto:staniek@kde.org" target="_blank">staniek@kde.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> Thanks for reminding me Lydia<br>
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> I've not forgotten this. While there's progress I do still see this as a<br>
> pilot stage and do not think we're in a hurry given telemetry is something<br>
> "extra" for a project development, not a core feature of any product.<br>
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</span>We are in a hurry now. We're waiting for projects to be able to start<br>
using it and get us valuable insights about how our software is used.<br>
We've been on it since last Akademy. Let's get it finished :)<br>
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> Below I am referring to this version:<br>
> <a href="https://community.kde.org/index.php?title=Policies/Telemetry_Policy&oldid=78057" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://community.kde.org/inde<wbr>x.php?title=Policies/Telemetry<wbr>_Policy&oldid=78057</a><br>
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> tl;dr: Why discussing: Any deep change and limitation to projects' freedom<br>
> needs to bring substantial benefits over drawbacks. Level of complexity of<br>
> the contract for a project or individual developer needs to be balanced by<br>
> real (not hypothetical) benefits.<br>
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</span>The benefits here for KDE are:<br>
* we have a <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small;display:inline"></div>better understanding of our userbase leading hopefully to<br>
better software<br>
* we have a better understanding of our userbase leading hopefully to<br>
better marketing<br>
* we have a clear policy we can point our users to that explains how<br>
we are handling their data and that is in line with our vision/what we<br>
stand for.<br>
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> I've studied the wiki page more in depth and I have these points where I'd<br>
> like to see improvement. This is based on my experience, not a list of quick<br>
> ideas.<br>
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><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small;display:inline"></div> <a href="https://community.kde.org/Talk:Policies/Telemetry_Policy#" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://community.kde.org/Talk<wbr>:Policies/Telemetry_Policy#</a><br>
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</span>Thank you! Volker is probably best equipped to answer these.<br>
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> That said: I will nod to the concept of "Minimalism", it is all classic<br>
> property of telemetry. I think I've seen them in other projects too.<br>
> I'd just say, let's not make all this more limited than anyone wants it to<br>
> be.<br>
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</span>Where is it too limited? Please keep in mind that we've set <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small;display:inline"></div>privacy as<br>
a core part of our vision and the current goals.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small">Lydia, </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small">It's a core part but still a part and can't contradict, say, with the Freedom part.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small">Please see the list of limitations: <div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;font-family:monospace,monospace;display:inline"></div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span> </span></span><a href="https://community.kde.org/Talk:Policies/Telemetry_Policy#" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" style="color:rgb(17,85,204);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">https://community.kde.org/Talk<wbr>:Policies/Telemetry_Policy#</a></div></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small">(in my opinion that's not a "nice to haves" but requirements needed so we can even call the whole thing "telemetry")</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small">I am asking for an alternative approaches, Volker once mentioned there are some.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small">We need them to we move forward.</div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="monospace, monospace"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="monospace, monospace">In the meantime my stack runs just well, people that use IDs are even given right to remove their data, something that's *not* going to be possible with the proposed vision. Someone would convince me otherwise.</font><br></div><div style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_default">-- <br></div></div><div class="gmail-m_2515312111728031000gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>regards, Jaroslaw Staniek<br><br>KDE:<br>: A world-wide network of software engineers, artists, writers, translators<br>: and facilitators committed to Free Software development - <a href="http://kde.org" target="_blank">http://kde.org</a><br>KEXI:<br>: A visual database apps builder - <a href="http://calligra.org/kexi" target="_blank">http://calligra.org/kexi</a><br> <a href="http://twitter.com/kexi_project" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/kexi_<wbr>project</a> <a href="https://facebook.com/kexi.project" target="_blank">https://facebook.com/<wbr>kexi.project</a><br>Qt Certified Specialist:<br>: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/jstaniek" target="_blank">http://www.linkedin.com/in/<wbr>jstaniek</a></div></div></div></div></div>
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