<div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On 8/03/2018 10:47 PM, "Jaroslaw Staniek" <<a href="mailto:staniek@kde.org">staniek@kde.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="elided-text"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 8 March 2018 at 09:51, Clemens Toennies <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:starbuck@netrunner-os.com" target="_blank">starbuck@netrunner-os.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class="m_-1906253752401337575gmail-">On 08.03.2018 08:44, Boudewijn Rempt wrote:<br>
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On Thursday, 8 March 2018 07:57:27 CET Ben Cooksley wrote:<br>
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On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 12:42 AM, Boudewijn Rempt <<a href="mailto:boud@valdyas.org" target="_blank">boud@valdyas.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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On Wednesday, 7 March 2018 12:31:21 CET Sebastian Kügler wrote:<br>
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Hi all,<br>
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We have been working on a modernized website and backend for <a href="http://www.kde.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.kde.org</a>.<br>
The new site will do away with the old PHP custom CMS and will run<br>
wordpress instead.<br>
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Does that mean we'll lose our history, just like <a href="http://koffice.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">koffice.org</a> history from<br>
the php times is only in subversion anymore and the wordpress (or<br>
whatever it was) content is completely gone?<br>
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The current content of <a href="http://www.kde.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.kde.org</a> will still remain in Subversion at<br>
the very least.<br>
From my understanding the plan Sebas has mentioned envisages a<br>
temporary <a href="http://www-legacy.kde.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www-legacy.kde.org</a> hostname being kept around until a full<br>
migration is completed.<br>
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So we _will_ lose proper access to KDE's release history. That's not good.<br>
Pages like <a href="https://www.kde.org/announcements/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.kde.org/announceme<wbr>nts/</a> and everything it links to<br>
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As far as i can see they will be all available, as they will be imported:<br>
<a href="https://www-backstage.kde.org/announcements/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www-backstage.kde.org/<wbr>announcements/</a><br>
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Question I would have to the www community, are we going to keep exact the same URLs?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small">This it kind of important key since we link heavily, typically between blog entry and announcement for example.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small">I've found our blog content, including <a href="http://blogs.kde.org" target="_blank">blogs.kde.org</a> or forums having dead links to <a href="http://kde.org" target="_blank">kde.org</a>.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small">Technically, maybe URL rewriting would help for URLs that were in standardized form.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small">Example of <a href="http://koffice.org" target="_blank">koffice.org</a> as topic harder to handle but possible: currently it 100% redirects to <a href="http://calligra.org" target="_blank">calligra.org</a> but it could redirect from <a href="http://koffice.org/X" target="_blank">koffice.org/X</a> to <a href="http://calligra.org/X" target="_blank">calligra.org/X</a> maybe or <span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><a href="http://calligra.org/koffice/X" target="_blank">calligra.org/koffice/X</a>. Or rewrite the URL so <span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><a href="http://koffice.org/X" target="_blank">koffice.org/X</a> would not redirect at all (it depends how we want to have it presented).</span></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="monospace, monospace">Example link: to <a href="http://www.koffice.org/news/koffice-2-1-released/" target="_blank">http://www.koffice.org/news/<wbr>koffice-2-1-released/</a> from the DOT: <a href="https://dot.kde.org/2009/11/24/koffice-21-released" target="_blank">https://dot.kde.org/2009/11/<wbr>24/koffice-21-released</a>.</font><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="monospace, monospace">Missing. So relevant announcements for the history of computing, where we have a place: software for Nokia n900... it's missing so also Wikipedia references would be dead. The Wiki must to dig in <a href="http://archive.org" target="_blank">archive.org</a> now (see </font><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace">"KOffice 1.6 Released" at <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KOffice" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/<wbr>KOffice</a>).</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small">Sibling topic is: dead URLs to relatively new software such as </div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="monospace, monospace"><a href="https://download.kde.org/stable/koffice-2.3.3" target="_blank">https://download.kde.org/<wbr>stable/koffice-2.3.3</a> (link from <a href="https://marc.info/?l=koffice-devel&m=129901230231557" target="_blank">https://marc.info/?l=<wbr>koffice-devel&m=<wbr>129901230231557</a>). If we have no resources to share the old files (and mirrors refuse that), maybe we could at least have a landing page that lists possible options how to find the archived tarballs?</font><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="monospace, monospace"></font></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">In relation to tarballs, you will find most of these in the Attic/ directory of <a href="http://download.kde.org">download.kde.org</a></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">After a while we move things there as we have an agreement with the mirrors that only carry stable that it will be kept to a certain maximum size.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_default"><font face="monospace, monospace"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace">Even more trouble is missing old image resources but this is lesson to learn, we still have no ultimate solution IMHO, hash filesbased URLs get created in <a href="http://share.kde.org" target="_blank">share.kde.org</a> and this seems to be fragile approach. I'd think about at the topic as a matter of Freedom in content area. If we're not solid here, what can we tell to next generation of contributors that say "Facebook and YouTube just work".</span><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace">Then we lost image content on blogs, even image tags seem to be somethow lost: example </span><font face="monospace, monospace"><a href="https://blogs.kde.org/2004/02/24/one-little-feature" target="_blank">https://blogs.kde.org/<wbr>2004/02/24/one-little-feature</a>, archived at </font><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace"><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20040531171636/http://www.kdedevelopers.org:80/node/view/359" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/<wbr>web/20040531171636/http://www.<wbr>kdedevelopers.org:80/node/<wbr>view/359</a></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace">No images, no context... :( </span></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Older posts like this can unfortunately be broken with platform migrations I'm afraid. That particular post has been through two major Drupal upgrades at least, along with a change in the domain.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">While we do our best it is unavoidable that some loss will occur with any change.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small">I see the task is not light but preserving KDE history is worth investment maybe even financial. <span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">Blogs are to me part of KDE's identity.</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small">Good part of it is done nicely in the form of preserving the KDE 1.0 / 2.0 desktops.</div><br></div><div class="quoted-text">-- <br><div class="m_-1906253752401337575gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>regards, Jaroslaw Staniek<br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regards,</div><div dir="auto">Ben</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="quoted-text"><div class="m_-1906253752401337575gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><br>KDE:<br>: A world-wide network of software engineers, artists, writers, translators<br>: and facilitators committed to Free Software development - <a href="http://kde.org" target="_blank">http://kde.org</a><br>KEXI:<br>: A visual database apps builder - <a href="http://calligra.org/kexi" target="_blank">http://calligra.org/kexi</a><br> <a href="http://twitter.com/kexi_project" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/kexi_<wbr>project</a> <a href="https://facebook.com/kexi.project" target="_blank">https://facebook.com/<wbr>kexi.project</a><br>Qt Certified Specialist:<br>: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/jstaniek" target="_blank">http://www.linkedin.com/in/<wbr>jstaniek</a></div></div></div></div></div>
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