<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 17 August 2017 at 18:20, Thomas Pfeiffer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org" target="_blank">thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><br><div><span class=""><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 17. Aug 2017, at 17:38, Mirko Boehm - KDE <<a href="mailto:mirko@kde.org" target="_blank">mirko@kde.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_-9083494930210199564Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Hi, <div><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 17. Aug 2017, at 01:46, Thomas Pfeiffer <<a href="mailto:thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org" target="_blank">thomas.pfeiffer@kde.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_-9083494930210199564Apple-interchange-newline"><div><span style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">Hi Valorie,</span><br style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">Even if opt-out for some data is legally and even morally fine, it does not<span class="m_-9083494930210199564Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">align with the values we communicate to our users:</span><br style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">Unlike Mozilla's Mission, our Vision mentions privacy explicitly, and we're<span class="m_-9083494930210199564Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">striving to make privacy our USP.</span><br style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"></div></blockquote><br></div><div>We seem to assume a contradiction between telemetry and privacy. I believe this is a knee-jerk reaction. We can implement telemetry in a way that privacy is not violated. In fact, I would say that it follows from our vision that we should do this.</div><div><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span>The problem is: I expect users to have the same knee-jerk reaction. I don’t see us being able to explain to users that actually their privacy is perfectly safe before they freak out.</div><div>Privacy-minded Free Software users have freaked out in the past over things which objectively speaking were not a huge deal.</div><div>It’s emotion more than rational arguments</div><br></div></blockquote></div><br><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small">​It's hard to argue here or generalize to all app's communities. Krita community for example is different than gcc community in these aspects.</div><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">regards, Jaroslaw Staniek<br><br>KDE:<br>: A world-wide network of software engineers, artists, writers, translators<br>: and facilitators committed to Free Software development - <a href="http://kde.org" target="_blank">http://kde.org</a><br>Calligra Suite:<br>: A graphic art and office suite - <a href="http://calligra.org" target="_blank">http://calligra.org</a><br>Kexi:<br>: A visual database apps builder - <a href="http://calligra.org/kexi" target="_blank">http://calligra.org/kexi</a><br>Qt Certified Specialist:<br>: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/jstaniek" target="_blank">http://www.linkedin.com/in/jstaniek</a></div>
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