<div dir="ltr">Dear Eike,<br><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 7:33 PM, Eike Hein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hein@kde.org" target="_blank">hein@kde.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class=""><br>
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On 04/27/2016 03:20 AM, Laszlo Papp wrote:<br>
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Given how respected, appreciated and well-used Thunderbird has been in<br>
my experience, including industrial environments (only dream for certain<br>
KDE subprojects?), I would suggest having a bit more good faith at this<br>
point. Such early conclusions have been brought up about the Qt<br>
framework as well after the Nokia decline. I am now being told that the<br>
Qt business has been doing really well instead.<br>
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I'm not saying Thunderbird doesn't have users at present. I'm<br>
saying its usage numbers have failed to translate to a revenue<br>
stream or an excess of manpower; problems severe enough its<br>
original parent organization has struggled to keep it going.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>* As I know, there was some decline in the payment of Kubuntu developer(s) by Canonical, too.<br><br>* KO Gmbh could not continue its operation either as hoped for.<br><br></div><div>* How about the business behind Plasma Mobile that AS was trying to establish?<br></div><div><br></div><div>(This is really not about blaming any of the participants. I am really happy and grateful that they have all tried to do their best for this community!)<br></div><div><br></div><div>These are just three examples of those that I am aware of. I could provide more if needed, but I am not sure revenue defines a KDE project or some support withdrawn behind a project. It is in my understanding neither in the manifesto, nor the vision.<br><br></div><div>I would even go further claiming that many (most?) KDE projects have never made it to that level, so for me, Thunderbird as a project is something to look upon even if it is currently having issues to be resolved.<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
On top of that, it's facing immense technological challenges in<br>
the relatively near future that will make it harder, not easier<br>
to develop further.<br>
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Thunderbird joining KDE.org would require us to invest<br>
resources (monetary, but also the time and motivation of e.g.<br>
our sysadmins and our board). Can we recoup those? Why us if<br>
others could not?<span class="im"><br></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Would it be possible for you to give a rough estimate with concrete numbers so that we can better understand the impact?<br><br></div><div>As I know, a couple of years ago, the sysadmins were processing the infrastructure set up quite quickly. They had done an excellent job at this.<br><br>I understand your concern of for instance migrating bugreports, but do they really have to be, at least right away?<br><br></div><div>I believe the monetary issues could be discussed for KDE as a whole. I am not sure that they are only relevant for one or two particular subprojects.<br><br>For instance, Thunderbird could also do its own fundraising relying on the success of that to a great extent.<br></div><div><br>(By the way, I am now writing writing these lines as a non-thunderbird user before claiming any bias. I am still a happy mutt user. :-) )<br><br></div><div>Best Regards,<br></div><div>Laszlo Papp<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class="im">
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Best Regards,<br>
Laszlo Papp<br>
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Cheers,<br></span><div class=""><div class="h5">
Eike<br>
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