<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 7 March 2016 at 21:43, Alexander Neundorf <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:neundorf@kde.org" target="_blank">neundorf@kde.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class="">On Thursday, March 03, 2016 04:46:20 Jos Poortvliet wrote:<br>
> replying on phone. blame faulty text completion/correction for any rudeness!<br>
> On Feb 29, 2016 5:40 PM, "Alexander Neundorf" <<a href="mailto:neundorf@kde.org">neundorf@kde.org</a>> wrote:<br>
</span>...<br>
<span class="">> > Can we express the "not be at the mercy of some company" clearer than<br>
> > "have full control" ?<br>
><br>
> But then you have to spell it all out - it isn't just about companies but<br>
> governments, heck even individuals or charities...<br>
<br>
</span><just thinking><br>
now that is an interesting point, being independent from governments.<br>
More and more services of (local or national) governments are offered online.<br>
Just as on example, assume that some documents would be only available as pdf.<br>
You need at least a device, an operating system, a pdf reader.<br>
Or other stuff, communicating only via some network service (email ?), sending<br>
in documents in some specific format, etc., etc.<br>
<br>
So IMO it should be a goal of a government to enable their citizen to use<br>
those services using software which is free of cost (at least for their<br>
citizen), and without having to rely on some company. There are two obvious<br>
ways to achieve that: software development done by the government, and<br>
development of free software supported/paid for by the government.<br>
</just thinking><br>
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I think "sustainability" describes the concept I have in mind: something which<br>
works at some point in time and you can rely on that it will also work in the<br>
future.<br>
Don't know how to put that into a vision, maybe something like "a sustainable<br>
ecosystem of software/technology/...<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small;display:inline"></div> <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small;display:inline"></div>which gives everyone full control over<br>
their digital life" ?<br></blockquote><div><br><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small;display:inline">I would not depend on theoretical government in our visions. The ones I </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small;display:inline">heard about do their best to maximize number of _controlled_ jobs because they can then "sell" them for power in their internal circles. I've touched this problem a bit personally too. Just look at healthcare IT backoffice systems in many countries. One about to be restarted in Poland after 15 years. Or one web form that costed 3B$ in the USA, money went to IBM, the bigest sponsor of Linux ever. <br><br>In this light, consuming FOSS advantages directly is rather evil idea for these governments as it reduces paid/controlled jobs. And taxes!<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:small;display:inline">Regarding full control - I find it a bit pathetic. Todays' extremes cause that if we just call for "control" and not "full control", we're already very good.<br><br>It'd say we can try to "return people control over their digital life". Not "everyone" because "everyone" is the new meaningless "nobody".<br><br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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Alex<br>
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