<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi,<br><br>a standard slide in the default template for presentations would help. We do an insane amount of presentations and the audience we reach face to face is our first ring target.<br><br></div>Saludos<br>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Mario Fux <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kde-ml@unormal.org" target="_blank">kde-ml@unormal.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Am Donnerstag, 10. Juli 2014, 19.08:42 schrieb John Layt:<br>
<br>
Morning John<br>
<br>
You can't write short mails, can't you? But seriously, I like your ideas and<br>
that's why I need to read your emails ;-). More productive input below...<br>
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> On 10 July 2014 11:10, Jos Poortvliet <<a href="mailto:jospoortvliet@gmail.com">jospoortvliet@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> > So, let me be bold and give a suggestion (that isn't new at all [2]):<br>
> > lets use our *software* to reach out to our users and tell them how they<br>
> > could help us.<br>
> ><br>
> > Right now, we depend on users actively reaching out to us, to read planet<br>
> > KDE, our dot and <a href="http://kde.org" target="_blank">kde.org</a>, to find out how to help. Let's make it easier.<br>
> > Let's reach out to them.<br>
> ><br>
> > I'm not suggesting a irremovable flashing banner on the panel and pink<br>
> > fluffy bunnies running over the window decoration, carrying signs<br>
> > "donate to KDE". Perhaps unicorns. Certainly no bunnies ;-)<br>
> ><br>
> > No, goal is to INFORM our users that they could participate, help us, in<br>
> > various ways. In a decent way. With the simple option to ignore us.<br>
> ><br>
> > And yes, there are some technical difficulties, and we'd have to work<br>
> > with the distributions. I'm sure we can have a conversation about that -<br>
> > but I'd like to know first: do we *want* this in the first place?<br>
> > Because if we *want* it, I am certain we can *do* it. We're KDE ;-)<br>
><br>
> Not unexpectedly, I do have a few ideas of varying degrees of<br>
> evil-ness and unicorn-potential :-)<br>
><br>
> As I mentioned in the thread you linked to we currently have a<br>
> "donate" link in the "About KDE" dialog under the "Support KDE" tab<br>
> where absolutely no-one will see it. We need to put any donate links<br>
> or buttons in places where the users are more likely to see it in as<br>
> part of their regular workflow. Annoying as it may have been, being<br>
> confronted with Jimmy Wales' pleading face at the top of every<br>
> Wikipedia page for a month was surprisingly effective :-)<br>
><br>
> There's several places we could insert a Donate link or text, each<br>
> with varying degrees of visibility and annoyance. We'll probably want<br>
> to try more than one of them so we could probably have a small library<br>
> or group of classes to provide a consistent interaction model, i.e.<br>
> provide a KDonateButton and KDonateDialog for use in gui's, etc. We<br>
> could make this configurable so independent apps can run their own<br>
> fund-raising campaigns, and have a single config option to turn all<br>
> marketing messages off.<br>
<br>
</div></div>I like this idea very much. Make a Frameworks out of it or part of<br>
KWidgetAddons?<br>
<br>
Another thing (and this is probably for another thread) is the idea of<br>
"independent apps" and "their own fund-raising campaigns". I think this needs<br>
to be looked at closer and defined somehow. We need more coordination on this.<br>
<br>
And as it's free software everybody is free to remove this features or patch<br>
it out. But we should definitely talk with distros about this as Jos<br>
mentioned.<br>
<div class=""><br>
> Having a generic "Donate" link or text will be less effective than<br>
> having targeted text and images, for example for Randa or for new<br>
> servers or Join the Game. People are more likely to donate if there<br>
> is a clear target with tangible benefits. We could have a method<br>
> where-by the donate code can check a server to see what the current<br>
> campaigns are, perhaps using an rss feed or json file. Whenever an<br>
> app starts it could trigger a delayed check of this. If they cannot<br>
> connect then a generic text and image is used. Such an update method<br>
> could also be used to trigger the more annoying notification methods<br>
> on a low-volume schedule. Of course, these marketing messages we're<br>
> pushing out don't have to all be of the "give us money" type, they<br>
> could also be more generic "Attend Akademy", "Try Krita" , "Oppose<br>
> Software Patents" or "Magical Unicorns" type messages.<br>
<br>
</div>Wow, I like this. Not the unicorns, but the other stuff.<br>
<div class=""><br>
> Where we do put donate links in the software, we need to make sure<br>
> that each channel and campaign has a different link or parameter to<br>
> identify it so we can track which campaign the money is intended for<br>
> and which channels are the most effective.<br>
><br>
> So where to put these marketing messages?<br>
<br>
</div>[snip: some ideas]<br>
<div class=""><br>
> Obviously, we could adopt some of the worst spammy practices of the<br>
> commercial software world and really really really annoy our users and<br>
> distributors. We don't want that so we'll have to be more subtle, and<br>
> always allow people to easily opt-out from all future marketing. Done<br>
> right though we could raise the profile subtly, especially if we make<br>
> the communication channel useful enough. Where do people see that<br>
> line being? What of the above do people see as being completely<br>
> unacceptable? Do we prefer opt-in or opt-out? How much choice do we<br>
> give app maintainers in deciding to participate? If we do any of<br>
> this, we will need a clear set of ethical guidelines on what is<br>
> acceptable and what isn't, with full visibility and accountability,<br>
> and total control for our users.<br>
<br>
</div>Did you already reserve a slot for a BoF at Akademy about this. A lot of these<br>
topics should be discussed face-to-face, I think. But the add, I like them.<br>
<br>
I think as a start I'd like to see a "Donate to KDE..." entry in the Help menu<br>
which open our donation page in a webview. And then we could go from there on<br>
and try different ideas and evaluate them after a certain time.<br>
<br>
griits<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">Mario<br>
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