<p dir="ltr">FWIW, i agree with Thomas. Vision discussions often result in long debates and little outcome. Our manifesto probably being a positive exception due to a clear ad limited scope and the leadership of who managed it.</p>
<p dir="ltr">I suggest to have and discuss shared ideas in specific areas but refrain from trying to come with an over-arching and likely over-reaching vision.</p>
<p dir="ltr">sent from my tablet, pls excuse me for brevity and bad spelling</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 29, 2014 9:28 AM, "Thomas Zander" <<a href="mailto:zander@kde.org">zander@kde.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On Tuesday 28 January 2014 21.39.14 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote:<br>
> when Heiko and me wrote our Human Interface Guideline for product<br>
> Visions, we wanted to link to the overall KDE Vision. However, when we<br>
> looked it up at<br>
> <a href="http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Usability/Principles/KDE4_Vision" target="_blank">http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Usability/Principles/KDE4_Vision</a> we<br>
> noticed that it is for KDE4 and we haven't found a vision document for<br>
> the next generation of our products yet. I think the majority of<br>
> content from the KDE4 vision will still be relevant for the next<br>
> generation, but we might want to update some parts of it as well.<br>
<br>
That page said "accessed 500 times", for a document written in 2008, I'd<br>
say its not been read that often.<br>
<br>
A vision makes sense for a big company, to keep everyone towing the party-<br>
line and avoid people misunderstanding where the leaders are going.<br>
Its part of the ongoing communication from leaders to underlings.<br>
<br>
In open source, Its tricky. Any vision for something like KDE will be made<br>
up and not really be carried by the majority of the leaders, since everyone<br>
contributing to open source is a leader.<br>
<br>
It would make sense to for induvidual projects, any project where they can<br>
agree on a vision, like in Krita, it will make a powerful communication<br>
tool to future contributors.<br>
<br>
In short; a vision is useful in itself, but for something as big as KDE, I<br>
believe its not useful due to the vision itself not being representative.<br>
--<br>
Thomas Zander<br>
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