我觉得可以合并，一则增加与国外同行的交流，二则彰显官方权威。所以域名方面最好可以合并到下面的二级域名中。至于官方的服务器，如果官方的速度没有问题的话，我们可以考虑使用。翻译是要做的，这部分是根本。<br>对于我们想要做的个性化的东西，如果官方不支持或者反应速度慢需要较多协调，可以与官方剥离出来，比如搞个类似KDE中国社区之类的组织方来发起活动，这部分服务器可以自建。更加自由。<br><br><br><br>另外既然官方考虑合并，可以咨询一下官方能够提供何种程度的资源支持，倒不一定是现金，服务器或者其他的资源也是很不错的。<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/10/9 Sami Zhan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:h.zhan123@gmail.com">h.zhan123@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div>他们应该非常重视计划吧。他似乎觉得中文KDE站点已经很多再多下去如果不弄好会乱掉。呵呵。这个和文化有关了吧，外国人的合作意识确实很强。<br></div><div>当时他建议我直接翻译官方英文站点，结果我后来用typo3并且完全没有弄好。。</div><div><br></div>关于主页，我总是表达不清。但是大概就是针对KDE用户和KDE潜在用户需要分开处理?对于KDE用户可能更需要得出KDE的更新情况？或者是KDE一些帮助信息。而对于潜在用户，是否更需要让他们迅速比较出KDE和GNOME等桌面环境的不同之处，有何可以吸引他们尝试的特质？
<br><div><br></div><div>不过解决问题确实很麻烦，当时我就没弄好。但是我肯定会尽力协助的。官方肯定是非常愿意提供的，这个我很清楚。所以我觉得其实可以用官方的？如果要自己搞，shared host就算了，大家募集一点经费还是怎么的？<br></div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.kdecn.org" target="_blank">www.kdecn.org</a>有一些out-dated了。transfix和ikde我觉得可以直接放到一个框架里面，没有必要完全整合。账户上不整合问题也不大，毕竟翻译者数量远小于使用者。</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">2011/10/8 林风 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ihacker.phoenix@gmail.com" target="_blank">ihacker.phoenix@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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感谢Sami的介绍，我跟#kde-www的neverendingo谈了一下，他的意思是KDE愿意提供空间以及 <a href="http://cn.kde.org" target="_blank">cn.kde.org</a>或类似域名，甚至一个新的顶级域名。但是同时又提出一个问题，KDE在中国有几个站点，<a href="http://kdecn.org" target="_blank">kdecn.org</a>，<a href="http://l10n.kdecn.org" target="_blank">l10n.kdecn.org</a>，<a href="http://ikde.org" target="_blank">ikde.org</a>，<a href="http://kdechina.org" target="_blank">kdechina.org</a>，有些站点已经过期了，有些还在维护。我们有一个想法——重建KDE中国。但是以上站点都已经有为数不少的用户、文档、资源等，想要统一起来还比较困难，比如域名的解析，如果统一使用 <a href="http://cn.kde.org" target="_blank">cn.kde.org</a> 的subdomain，下面有 <a href="http://cn.kde.org/blog" target="_blank">cn.kde.org/blog</a> <a href="http://cn.kde.org/forum" target="_blank">cn.kde.org/forum</a> <a href="http://cn.kde.org/something-other.." target="_blank">cn.kde.org/something-other..</a>.. 看似很好的想法，但是解析到不同的服务器可能还有困难。<div>
<br></div><div>所以我想和邮件列表里的各位再讨论一下这个问题，我们要不要重建一个全新的，完整的，KDE官方认可的KDE中国。如果可以，我们怎么组织服务器（我们自己搞？还是用官方的？），怎么组织管理资源？还有没有其它问题？</div><div><br></div><div>neverendingo表示愿意更新到KDE官方社区，如果我们可以的话。</div><div><br></div><div>一下是IRC的聊天记录。英文不好，大家见谅哈....</div>
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[16:02:24] <neverendingo_> phoenixlzx: hi</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:02:52] <phoenixlzx> neverendingo_: Do you know about the new KDE Chinese forum?</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:03:16] <phoenixlzx> <a href="http://www.kdechina.org" target="_blank">http://www.kdechina.org</a></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:03:20] <neverendingo_> phoenixlzx: yeah, heard it</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:03:29] <neverendingo_> looks nice :P</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:03:44] <phoenixlzx> neverendingo_: thx.I'm the admin. </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:04:47] <neverendingo_> what was the intention of splitting it from the main forum?</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:05:25] <phoenixlzx> neverendingo_: Nothing just...I found there is a "Taiwan" forum...</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:06:15] <neverendingo_> oh, i didn't know...</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:06:25] <phoenixlzx> neverendingo_: So I think maybe I can create a space for Chinese Mainland,even the whole China.</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:06:41] <neverendingo_> KDE-中国 means taiwan?</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:07:12] <phoenixlzx> neverendingo_: No...it means KDE China,including mainland and taiwan.</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:07:37] <phoenixlzx> neverendingo_: btw,where are you come from?</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:07:49] <neverendingo_> phoenixlzx: i am from germany</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:08:06] <phoenixlzx> neverendingo_: Do you know 中国 means China?</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:08:22] <neverendingo_> nope, even though i set it up :D</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:08:26] <neverendingo_> but a long time ago</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:09:22] <phoenixlzx> neverendingo_: Ok...No other means,and i dont want to talk about politics,but i want to say:there is only one China.</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:10:12] <neverendingo_> so you prefer to drive your own webspace/domain?</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:11:39] <phoenixlzx> neverendingo_: I set up KDE-China in purpose to set a platform for Chinese speakers and those who doesnt speak English well...if possible,I want to use <a href="http://kde.org" target="_blank">kde.org</a> subdomain and put this site to KDE.</blockquote>
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[16:12:06] <neverendingo_> phoenixlzx: sure, that should be possible</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:12:47] <phoenixlzx> neverendingo_: Now the site is on bluehost,and i have some personal sites on it.if KDE have limit resources,just leave it there</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:13:09] <neverendingo_> no, i think we still have some space :)</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:13:39] <neverendingo_> phoenixlzx: about the forum, should it be driven separately or merged into our main one?</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:14:10] <phoenixlzx> neverendingo_: well,i have no other purpose just want to help KDE community.Of course,it should belong to KDE community.</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:14:53] <neverendingo_> no, i mean both options are fine. only that the current forum admins are already damn good at what they do, and thus one could share manpower</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:15:51] <phoenixlzx> neverendingo_: uh..by now KDE-China has very few users...</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:17:07] <phoenixlzx> neverendingo_: My self isnt very professional though,but if KDE needs me,i would be there.</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:17:58] <neverendingo_> any help is always welcome, i guess. and many areas one could do something</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:18:51] <phoenixlzx> neverendingo_: So uh...return to the topic.the forum.How do want to deal with it?</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:19:11] <phoenixlzx> How do you,sorry</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:19:17] <neverendingo_> is there something like a chinese kde team?</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:20:15] <phoenixlzx> neverendingo_: yes,but not a team-like,it is consist of some person,and we have a Mailling list.</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:20:29] <neverendingo_> sounds good</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:20:49] <phoenixlzx> neverendingo_: Just like we have kdecn,ikde,KDEChina,etc.</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:21:13] <neverendingo_> phoenixlzx: it is basically up to you. we could start afresh on the main forum and replicate the structure you have in the new forum. or you request an entire domain with your own space</blockquote>
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[16:22:03] --> tazz_ (~<a href="mailto:Gaurav@triband-mum-120.60.141.67.mtnl.net.in" target="_blank">Gaurav@triband-mum-120.60.141.67.mtnl.net.in</a>) has joined #kde-www</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:22:14] <-> BartOtten is now known as BartO_away</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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[16:23:26] <phoenixlzx> neverendingo_: No need to set up a new domain i guess,if you want to set up a new completed KDE-China site,just a sub domain like <a href="http://cn.kde.org" target="_blank">cn.kde.org</a>,or something other..</blockquote>
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[16:23:56] <neverendingo_> subdomain, sure</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:24:42] <neverendingo_> phoenixlzx: if you just want the subdomain way, just enter a sysadmin bug with the request for <a href="http://cn.kde.org" target="_blank">cn.kde.org</a> and where to point the DNS to</blockquote>
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[16:25:03] <neverendingo_> on <a href="https://bugs.kde.org/enter_sysadmin_request.cgi" target="_blank">https://bugs.kde.org/enter_sysadmin_request.cgi</a></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:25:18] <-- tazz (~<a href="mailto:Gaurav@triband-mum-120.60.140.10.mtnl.net.in" target="_blank">Gaurav@triband-mum-120.60.140.10.mtnl.net.in</a>) has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:25:35] <-> BartO_away is now known as BartOtten</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:26:09] <phoenixlzx> neverendingo_: wait,but we have <a href="http://kdecn.org" target="_blank">kdecn.org</a> as main site(out-of-date),and <a href="http://ikde.org" target="_blank">ikde.org</a> as blog,also <a href="http://l10n.kdecn.org" target="_blank">l10n.kdecn.org</a> as an online-translating platform</blockquote>
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[16:26:39] <phoenixlzx> neverendingo_: and now i setup kdechina.org...</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:26:56] <neverendingo_> oh, much mixed domains... :D</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:27:42] <phoenixlzx> neverendingo_: So it may complicated..if we want to get a united site</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:28:13] <neverendingo_> indeed</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:29:50] <neverendingo_> is <a href="http://kdecn.org" target="_blank">kdecn.org</a> even maintained?</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:31:14] <phoenixlzx> neverendingo_: Not clear.I only know <a href="http://l10n.kdecn.org" target="_blank">l10n.kdecn.org</a> is maintained by csslayer,and <a href="http://ikde.org" target="_blank">ikde.org</a>,also fcitx input method.</blockquote>
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[16:34:13] <phoenixlzx> neverendingo_: if possible,i want to set up a fresh,united and complete site <a href="http://cn.kde.org" target="_blank">cn.kde.org</a>,with <a href="http://cn.kde.org/forum" target="_blank">cn.kde.org/forum</a> <a href="http://cn.kde.org/blog" target="_blank">cn.kde.org/blog</a> <a href="http://cn.kde.org/something-else...but" target="_blank">cn.kde.org/something-else...but</a> i cant before discuss these things with other admins</blockquote>
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[16:35:07] <neverendingo_> phoenixlzx: yeah, that would indeed be the best idea</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:36:27] <phoenixlzx> neverendingo_: So..i will talk about these issue with other guys and get an idea to you,and Hans.is that ok?</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:36:50] <neverendingo_> phoenixlzx: fine by me, sure</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
[16:37:12] <phoenixlzx> neverendingo_: All right.Thanks for mention it.</blockquote></blockquote><div><br></div><div>就我个人来说，我是非常希望能够重建KDE-China的。只是国内用户都比较分散，如果能把各个论坛的KDE用户召集起来的话，人数应当还是不少的。——并且我们没有发行版限制，这一点更是优势。</div>
<div><br></div><div>大家有什么问题，请尽量提出，大家尽快解决这个问题....<br><font color="#888888">-- <br>Regards,<div><br></div><div>Phoenix Lin</div><br>
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