And so would we :) That's why it's so important to act quickly and build up a solid, easily expendable distribution system, and make it popular and widely accepted across Linux distros, and then introduce a pay service.<div>
<br></div><div>See the problem here is we are discussing where we will put a couch in out new home, we haven't yet built ;)<br><div><div><br><div><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">
Best Regards,</p><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><br></p><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"></p><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">
Eugene Trounev</p><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">[it-s]</p><br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 11:16 PM, Jos Poortvliet <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jospoortvliet@gmail.com">jospoortvliet@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class="im">On 2011-02-17 Frank wrote:<br>
> Yes. I agree with Eugene here.<br>
> Commercial Linux software might become important in the future but it<br>
> is not now. At least I don´t know a lot of commercial software for<br>
> Linux or People who bought it.<br>
<br>
</div>Hmmm, isn't there a chicken-and-egg problem? I know at least World of<br>
Goo has been very popular - I bought it myself as well and I would've<br>
preferred to do that in a proper and easy to use appstore like system :D<br>
<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
><br>
> Cheers<br>
> Frank<br>
><br>
> On 16.02.2011, at 16:16, Eugene Trounev wrote:<br>
> > I agree with your stance there 100%, however I believe that all<br>
> > should come in due time. To be perfectly honest we don't really<br>
> > have anything there yet. All that happened so far is we (all<br>
> > distros, KDE, and GNOME people) came together and discussed a<br>
> > possibility of having a semi-universal app-distribution system.<br>
> > Moreover we actually agreed on having one :D But all it was is<br>
> > just words for now, and one semi-functional proof of concept app.<br>
> > I think (and most would agree with me here) we should implement<br>
> > the system first, make sure it works as intended, start promoting<br>
> > it, and then start thinking about extending it in such a<br>
> > complicated manner as are legals, licensing, payment<br>
> > structure/system and so on. However we still may at least discuss<br>
> > what is/might be needed to implement/facilitate such a system. So<br>
> > why won't we do that for starters?<br>
> ><br>
> > Best Regards,<br>
> ><br>
> > Eugene Trounev<br>
> > [it-s]<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Andrew <<a href="mailto:primary.edw@gmail.com">primary.edw@gmail.com</a>><br>
> > wrote: Eugene,<br>
> ><br>
> > Actually I think now is the perfect time to start thinking about<br>
the inclusion of pay supported applications. When dealing with a<br>
distribution platform there are many things to consider including:<br>
> > • licensing : including subscriptions, affliate programs, system<br>
> > constaints etc • individual repositories based on user purchases<br>
> > - so you need to consider authentication etc • large data formats<br>
> > - for example some game applications have 1Gb+ downloads - would<br>
> > this be better via bittorrent vs other means • Looking at non app<br>
> > items such as ebooks, movies, music etc.<br>
> ><br>
> > I am sure I missed somethings regarding ther things that<br>
> > consideration. I have some in my personal research on this - but<br>
> > not on hand.<br>
> ><br>
> > I also disagree that the market is infinately small, there are a<br>
> > lot of Linux commercial applications available however they are<br>
> > hard to find because there is no central place to market them. In<br>
> > just about every genre of applications there is a commercial<br>
> > application; and I would also look at the success of the<br>
> > Android/mobile platform - the market wasn't there until it was<br>
> > created. We shouldn't also limit it to desktop applications - the<br>
> > server/web space is an area that I think could also benefit.<br>
> ><br>
> > I also think the game market on a Linux platform could be boosted<br>
> > dramtically if there was an easy way to install and use high<br>
> > quality programs. Games is one of the last hold-outs for Linux<br>
> > success on the desktop. Game manufactures really don't have a good<br>
> > way to get the games into players hands under Linux and a system<br>
> > like this could get the ball rolling.<br>
> ><br>
> > I also think the use of in-app payments and donations is one area<br>
> > that could really be potentially a big deal. I think consideration<br>
> > of this is required as things like SDK's and business<br>
> > functionality needs to be looked at now and not added later.<br>
> ><br>
> > Sorry I don't mean to sound abrupt :) I am very excited by this<br>
> > prospect, and would love to see it come through as a reality!<br>
> ><br>
> > Best Regards<br>
> > Andrew Mee<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On 15 February 2011 05:13, Eugene Trounev<br>
> > <<a href="mailto:eugene.trounev@gmail.com">eugene.trounev@gmail.com</a>> wrote: Well, we actually talked about<br>
> > this briefly at bretzen, but agreed that this was not a priority<br>
> > right now. The paid application market under linux is infinitely<br>
> > small, + there is no point even talking about this before we have<br>
> > a sensible distribution platform for it. So, plan minimum -<br>
> > develop a cross distro, cross architecture, easy to use<br>
> > distribution platform. Plan maximum - start thinking about what to<br>
> > sell, and how.<br>
> ><br>
> > Best Regards,<br>
> ><br>
> > Eugene Trounev<br>
> > [it-s]<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > 2011/2/14 Jos Poortvliet <<a href="mailto:jospoortvliet@gmail.com">jospoortvliet@gmail.com</a>><br>
> ><br>
> > On 2011-01-27 Andrew wrote:<br>
> > > Hello all,<br>
> > ><br>
> > > thanks Jos for the introduction. What I was discussing with Jos<br>
> > > was that<br>
> > ><br>
> > > about 12 months ago I was investigating the possibility of a<br>
> > > cross-distro app store for the commercial side of Linux apps.<br>
> > > Some of the things that came up was the payment and licensing<br>
> > > handling and in-app payment work. Unfortunately the lack of<br>
> > > resources at the time prevented me from promoting this idea<br>
> > > further.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > When discussing the common app installer with Jos I mentioned<br>
> > > that the commercial applications (and other digital<br>
> > > deliverables) had unfortunately not been well promoted,<br>
> > > especially in the gaming and commercial development tools; let<br>
> > > alone a micro-payment donation system etc.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > I have been working in payment systems (for all different payment<br>
> > > types), micro-payment, affiliate and mass payout systems for the<br>
> > > last 4 years. I have been involved at all levels including bank<br>
> > > gateways, fraud controls and working with PCI compliance .<br>
> > ><br>
> > > I am still reviewing some of the information that Jos has gave me<br>
> > > and I am looking forward to seeing project going.<br>
> > > Looking forward to hearing more and joining the list.<br>
> ><br>
> > Laddies and gents, I haven't seen any replies to this - has there<br>
> > been any thought on payment systems, on commercial apps etc? Does<br>
> > this have to happen with the Appstream team? Other?<br>
> ><br>
> > > Regards<br>
> > > Andrew Mee<br>
> > ><br>
> > > On 27 January 2011 14:43, Jos Poortvliet <<a href="mailto:jospoortvliet@gmail.com">jospoortvliet@gmail.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
> > > > On 2011-01-27 Andrew wrote:<br>
> > > > > Jos,<br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > > it was really good to talk to you last night regarding the<br>
> > > > > common app<br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > > installer work. I am very interested in seeing what I can<br>
> > > > > bring to the table with regards to this project.<br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > > First off you now have my contact details and perhaps we can<br>
> > > > > discuss all this further over a coffee before you go.<br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > > In the meantime I'm going to do some catch-up on what you<br>
> > > > > mentioning to<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > me!<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Awesome. Let me introduce you to Frank Karlitschek & the bretzn<br>
> > > > team!<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Guys, I spoke last night wit Andrew Mee who mentioned he has<br>
> > > > once been thinking about and working a bit on a payment system<br>
> > > > for open source app store<br>
> > > > stuff. He's knowledgable in this area and might be able to help<br>
> > > > you guys out<br>
> > > > in this rather complicated area! Subscribe him to the list and<br>
> > > > be sure to suck<br>
> > > > him in ;-)<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Also be sure to keep Vincent in the loop, as well as the other<br>
> > > > distro people!<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > > :)<br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > > Thanks Again,<br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > > Andrew Mee<br>
> > > > > +61401665068<br>
> ><br>
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