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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Very true. The thing that I want to test is editable text areas in QT. That was the biggest problem I saw last year when I was trying out KDE. If you were in Kate or Kmail and there was some text you wanted to put in either because you were editing a file or filling out a form of some kind, Orca couldn’t read it back to you. If it was a field you were filling in, you could tab away and backtab back to it and Orca would speak its contents but, individual character by character or word by word navigation was not possible at the time. I hope that’s gotten better since then. I haven’t looked at it since May or June of last year, I think. It is a very important piece of the puzzle.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Alex M<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> Krishnakant Mane [mailto:krmane@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 24, 2013 8:42 AM<br><b>To:</b> Alex Midence<br><b>Cc:</b> 'Frederik Gladhorn'; kde-accessibility@kde.org; vinux-support@googlegroups.com; 'Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List'; orca-list@gnome.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [orca-list] [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>This essentially means we must try things pretty early on and start reporting bugs agressively.<br>happy hacking.<br>Krishnakant.<br><br>On 07/24/2013 06:37 PM, Alex Midence wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Wonderful news! I certainly feel better for it. Thanks for all your hard<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>work on qt-at-spi. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Alex M<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>From: Frederik Gladhorn [<a href="mailto:frederik@gladhorn.de">mailto:frederik@gladhorn.de</a>] <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 3:21 AM<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>To: <a href="mailto:kde-accessibility@kde.org">kde-accessibility@kde.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Cc: Alex Midence; <a href="mailto:orca-list@gnome.org">orca-list@gnome.org</a>; <a href="mailto:vinux-support@googlegroups.com">vinux-support@googlegroups.com</a>;<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Subject: Re: [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Hello,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>On Tuesday 23. July 2013 13.23.47 Alex Midence wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Hi, all,<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre></blockquote><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre></blockquote><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre></blockquote><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>It looks like Ubuntu's Unity desktop will be switching to QT/QML in the<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><pre>near<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>future. It looks like they'll be using QT5. Does anyone know the current<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>state of accessibility for qt5 or QML? We were all disappointed to find<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>out that Unity 2d was discontinued in Ubuntu 12.04 and it is believed that<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Ubuntu 14.04 would continue it's wonderfully accessible legacy. This was<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>supposed to soothe our ruffled feathers when 12.10 and 13.04 came out with<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Unity 3d only which was not as accessible. Well, now, I am curious to know<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>if the timetable for that level of accessibility in a Ubuntu desktop will<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>need to be pushed back even more in light of this development. Please see<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>link below:<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre></blockquote><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Qt 5 contains all the accessibility code that was used for Qt 4, including<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>the plugin qt-at-spi which will then no longer be needed. Many things have<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>also been improved since we learned from finally making Qt 4 accessible.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>All in all this means that the Qt 5 based Unity should be able to reach the<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>level of the old Unity and hopefully exceed it. Of course that's still up to<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>the Unity developers and probably a fix here or there in Qt, but generally I<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>would expect things to look good.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Greetings<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Frederik<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre></blockquote><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre></blockquote><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre><a href="http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/03/unity-next-project-announced">http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/03/unity-next-project-announced</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre></blockquote><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre></blockquote><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre></blockquote><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Regards,<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre></blockquote><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Alex M<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>orca-list mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:orca-list@gnome.org">orca-list@gnome.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list">https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Visit <a href="http://live.gnome.org/Orca">http://live.gnome.org/Orca</a> for more information on Orca.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>The manual is at <a href="http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html">http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>The FAQ is at <a href="http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions">http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Log bugs and feature requests at <a href="http://bugzilla.gnome.org">http://bugzilla.gnome.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Find out how to help at <a href="http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp">http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>