<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Ok,<br><br></div>if I'm not wrong, for now, we have the balloon and the memory activities for multiplication. If it's not redundant with them and have a plus-value (for a home use, not school only ;)), it's good for me to have it by default (along with the 3 other operations?).<br></div><div><br></div>Johnny<br><div><div><div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-10-11 12:16 GMT+02:00 Emmanuel Charruau <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:echarruau@gmail.com" target="_blank">echarruau@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div>For me yes, it brings really something more than the application we have with the balloon which is just a test activity but can not be used as an activity to learn multiplication.</div><div>If we work with a grid like I suggest, pupils are able to see their progress within the multiplication table (they see what they answered right and what they still need to learn).</div><div>Working with a grid allows also to answer in the order you want starting with the easiest one, and keeping the more difficult one for the end.</div><div>Doing so you recall quickly what you know (memory training) and you can take more time for the one you know that you will have difficulties with. </div><div>The application would also allow to cherry pick which multiplication you want to learn or train at a given time.</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Emmanuel</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></font></span></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-10-11 8:38 GMT+02:00 JAZEIX Johnny <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jazeix@gmail.com" target="_blank">jazeix@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="m_-1970071906125713260m_-6263930514053324423moz-cite-prefix">Hi,<br>
<br>
It's a new activity.<br>
<br>
The question is more to know if the activity brings information
and a different plus-value than the current activities we have on
multiplication do. I guess they all aim to learn multiplication
and don't differ too much so it may be better to improve the
current ones (if possible) instead of adding new ones?<br>
<br>
I answered to Timothée at the far end of the mail.<div><div class="m_-1970071906125713260h5"><br>
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On 10/10/17 23:35, Timothée Giet wrote:<br>
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<div class="m_-1970071906125713260m_-6263930514053324423moz-cite-prefix">Probably yes, I would need to check
closer, but I guess the idea for this multiplication activity
was somehow validated before the work started on this branch...
By the way, is it a port of an activity from the old version, or
a proposal for a new one?<br>
<br>
Timothée<br>
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Le 10/10/2017 à 23:22, Emmanuel Charruau a écrit :<br>
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<div dir="auto">Hi,
<div dir="auto">We could still create the multiplication
activity within our actual gcompris?</div>
<div dir="auto">I would love to have it for my kids.</div>
<div dir="auto">Emmanuel </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">Le 10 oct. 2017 23:05, "Timothée
Giet" <<a href="mailto:animtim@gmail.com" target="_blank">animtim@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<br type="attribution">
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10/10/2017 à 21:27, JAZEIX Johnny a écrit :<br>
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<div class="m_-1970071906125713260m_-6263930514053324423m_-7784059493802275150moz-cite-prefix">Hi,<br>
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On 10/10/17 16:11, Emmanuel Charruau wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi Amit,</div>
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<div>This is a really good news. I think this
can be a very interesting activity, especially
when it will be networked.</div>
<div>First of all you will need to write a
detailed description of how it will work, and
do some mockups to show how you see it.</div>
<div>I will sent you the description I am
writing about the server, this can give you an
idea of what I would like to read.<br>
</div>
<div>You may think that the activity is already
there and that writing a specification is not
needed, but I would be glad if you do this
part. We can then agree on what you will
produce.</div>
<div>I will follow you on this activity. This
will be the first time I do some code review
on a whole project, so be patient with me ;)</div>
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<div>Ok for the new activity name, menu at
start, and configuration board.</div>
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<div>Good luck :)</div>
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<div>Emmanuel</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">Le 10 oct. 2017
15:31, "Amit Sagtani" <<a href="mailto:asagtani06@gmail.com" target="_blank">asagtani06@gmail.com</a>>
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I’d like to complete the
“Multiplication Activity” started
in <a href="https://github.com/gcompris/GCompris-qt/tree/sok_nitishc_multiplicationtables/" target="_blank">https://github.com/gcompris<wbr>/GCompris-qt/tree/sok_nitishc_<wbr>multiplicationtables/</a>
branch.<br>
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Task link :- <a href="https://phabricator.kde.org/T5469" target="_blank">https://phabricator.kde.org/T5<wbr>469</a><br>
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Reference :- <a href="https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/gcompris-devel/attachments/20160709/d4fa5990/attachment-0001.pdf" target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/pipermail<wbr>/gcompris-devel/attachments/20<wbr>160709/d4fa5990/attachment-000<wbr>1.pdf</a><br>
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As this activity can be used to
learn vocable list, chemical
abbreviations, multiplication
tables, etc.<br>
<br>
I'd like to start activity from
scratch and use some of the part
from the current code. I’d also like
to rename the activity to
“question_and_answers”(can be
changed). <br>
<br>
I have planned to implement a menu
screen at start of activity as in
lang and categorization activity,
with options → multiplication,
chemical abbreviations, etc. Player
can select the one of the category
and questions will be asked on that
category.</div>
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In which category do you put the activity? As it can
be for every categories?<br>
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<div> A timer and score board will be
implemented to measure the
performance.<br>
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The timer should be optional (and disabled by
default).<br>
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<div>A configuration option will be
provided by which teachers/parents
can select which questions will be
asked.</div>
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<div>Sample → <a href="https://pasteboard.co/GOhNzs8.png" target="_blank">https://pasteboard.co/GOhNzs8.<wbr>png</a><br>
<a href="https://pasteboard.co/GOhNSJh.png" target="_blank">https://pasteboard.co/GOhNSJh.<wbr>png</a></div>
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I’ll be glad if anyone can send me
more categories and material to add
in the activity. :)<br>
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For me this activity is more for school use than home
use.<br>
On my side, for the home use, I don't see the interest
of having a quiz with fixed questions (specially on
specific themes that we would choose) without giving
any help for the child or any material to learn. I
think that for most of the themes/categories we could
find, there would be a better way to show it to
children.<br>
<br>
I would be more of having a main activity
"questions_and_answers" but not present in the menu
and having a way to add datasets (for now manually but
later using the server) that would create the
different activities (the ones really displayed in the
menu).<br>
<br>
It needs to be thought (for the children/teachers use,
the maintainability of the code/datasets, easiness to
add/remove/update...) if it would be easier to use to
have multiple activities (one for each category) or
one activity only with a menu (or a mix of both).<br>
For a school use, I would say activities may be better
if we can filter the displayed activities to the
children (so they don't have to first open the main
activity and choose the good category).<br>
<br>
What do you think?<br>
<br>
Johnny<br>
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<div>Suggestion regarding improving
the activity presentation and
concept are much appreciated.<br>
<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Amit Sagtani(IRC -> amit__)<br>
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<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I agree with Johnny, this sounds more like a tool for
school teachers to make some tests, which does not fit
really with the guidelines for gcompris activities,
look at the "Core principles" part in <a class="m_-1970071906125713260m_-6263930514053324423m_-7784059493802275150moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://gcompris.net/wiki/Ideas_for_activities" target="_blank">http://gcompris.net/wiki/Ideas<wbr>_for_activities</a></p>
<p>However I agree this could eventually be a sort of
test-activity template, "hidden" inside the server
application. That would show-up in the activity list
only if the server sent a specific dataset for it...
something like that.<br>
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For me the activity code would still need to be in the gcompris
application. Then, the server would only be useful to create the
datasets and set it to gcompris (which would generate the needed
activities by itself). For now, we can create this part and create a
small application to create the datasets and store them directly
where we want in the computers/tablets. But there is a lot of
thinking to do on how to do it easier for the maintenance, the
easiness of use, the readiness of the files, the structure of the
storing...<span class="m_-1970071906125713260HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
<br>
Johnny</font></span><span><br>
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<p>But then, maybe it's a bit too early to start coding
for this, since that would probably require some of
the missing parts of the server app, that should be
done first. <br>
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<p>Timothée<br>
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